Spider-man Vs Namor

Originally posted by Genii96
Well,it being a ceremonial blade passed down to Kings in wakanda hints at it being made of vibranium,I doubt there would fashion a basic steel dagger for kings there

And it wasn't just a scream tho
It was an entire Statement, several whispers, which ended in the scream.

Or the fact it's 'ceremonial' i.e. not for actual use means it's useless as a weapon.

Depends. But we can't just give it properties (or take away properties) without knowing more.

It could be made of a really soft metal that looks really pretty, for example. Ceremonial things sometimes are.

^^^very even handed. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or the fact it's 'ceremonial' i.e. not for actual use means it's useless as a weapon.

Depends. But we can't just give it properties (or take away properties) without knowing more.

It could be made of a really soft metal that looks really pretty, for example. Ceremonial things sometimes are.

Several ceremonial weapons can actually be used for battle, but serve more purpose as a symbol. As for yhr makeup, well it pierced namor, I doubt it was made of soft and weak metals

Yea,we can't say for sure what it was made of,but for it to have pierced namor,it had to be quite Strong and for it to be a ceremonial dagger of wakandan royalty, it would have been made from precious metal(s) from wakanda

Vibranium would satisfy both conditions, but yea,we can't exactly say what it was made of,but the probability of it being vibranium is high IMO

Originally posted by Genii96
Several ceremonial weapons can actually be used for battle, but serve more purpose as a symbol. As for yhr makeup, well it pierced namor, I doubt it was made of soft and weak metals

Yea,we can't say for sure what it was made of,but for it to have pierced namor,it had to be quite Strong and for it to be a ceremonial dagger of wakandan royalty, it would have been made from precious metal(s) from wakanda

Vibranium would satisfy both conditions, but yea,we can't exactly say what it was made of,but the probability of it being vibranium is high IMO

But then we get into a circular argument.

Namor is strong. He tanked being stabbed by this blade.

How strong is this blade?

It's strong. It stabbed Namor.

How durable is Namor?

He's strong. He tanked being stabbed etc etc.

Moreover, one could also argue that vibranium, being used for everything (even normal soldiers had it IIRC) would NOT be used for something ceremonial. Like arguing all ceremonial weaponry is made of high quality steel, because.... well, that's what we use.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But then we get into a circular argument.

Namor is strong. He tanked being stabbed by this blade.

How strong is this blade?

It's strong. It stabbed Namor.

How durable is Namor?

He's strong. He tanked being stabbed etc etc.

Moreover, one could also argue that vibranium, being used for everything (even normal soldiers had it IIRC) would NOT be used for something ceremonial. Like arguing all ceremonial weaponry is made of high quality steel, because.... well, that's what we use.

Actually, he didn't tank it. It went through his chest. He simply shrugged off the damage and healed from it. Had it bounced off his skin,or shattered on it,then he would have been said to tank it. That blade pierced him,he pulled it out of his chest. Which leads back to my earlier point, if it went through him that way,it couldn't have just been steel

Simply put
How strong was the blade?

It's strong, it stabbed namor

How strong is namor?

He is strong, he shrugged off the damage from being stabbed in the chest by the blade

Originally posted by Surtur
Namor is a class 100. I don't see how Spider-man does "good". If he tries to bounce around Namor just thunderclaps.

This is debatable.

Originally posted by h1a8
It’s not Namor style to thunderclap (assuming that he has the ability). Spidey has hurt Namor before. Of course Namor is stronger and more durable. So Spidey needs a large hit ratio to win (for example, 25 hits to every 1 hit).

This is debatable.

How does Spider-Man hurting a non-weakened Namor make any sense to you?

Originally posted by Genii96
Actually, he didn't tank it. It went through his chest. He simply shrugged off the damage and healed from it. Had it bounced off his skin,or shattered on it,then he would have been said to tank it. That blade pierced him,he pulled it out of his chest. Which leads back to my earlier point, if it went through him that way,it couldn't have just been steel

Simply put
How strong was the blade?

It's strong, it stabbed namor

How strong is namor?

He is strong, he shrugged off the damage from being stabbed in the chest by the blade

Originally posted by riv6672
So still a circular argument.

Only if we are debating it In terms of durability instead of damage soak. Its like saying for instance, some blade manages to Pierce superman in the chest. Naturally you would except it to be made of something very dense to pierce him, if he then pulls out the blade and continues fighting, that would be a feat for his damage soak,not durability....

Its basically a feat for both namor and the blade
The blade in terms of its piercing ability
Namor in terms of his damage soak/healing

Its circular either way, imo, because of exactly what you said...

Its basically a feat for both namor and the blade
The blade in terms of its piercing ability
Namor in terms of his damage soak/healing

Either side can talk the feat up, with nothing to really support it.
The smart thing to do would be put the feat aside, and continue on w. something else.
The KMC thng to do though, is beat it to death, i get that!