Re: Earliest Goku that can defeat...
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Manga + Super only:1. MCU Thor
2. Naruto
3. DE Sidious
4. DCEU Superman
5. World Breaker Hulk
6. Post Crisis, pre-52 Superman
7. Silver Surfer
8. Pre Crisis Superman
9. Odin
10. Well Fed Galactus
11. Universal Eternity
12. MJJ
Not sure if serious. Current Goku wouldn't beat a lot of these characters.
Re: Earliest Goku that can defeat...
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Manga + Super only:1. MCU Thor
2. Naruto
3. DE Sidious
4. DCEU Superman
5. World Breaker Hulk
6. Post Crisis, pre-52 Superman
7. Silver Surfer
8. Pre Crisis Superman
9. Odin
10. Well Fed Galactus
11. Universal Eternity
12. MJJ
Welcome to the anime forum, lmfao.
Re: Earliest Goku that can defeat...
My rough intuition:
Originally posted by The Ellimist
1. MCU Thor
2. Naruto
Mid-late DB
3. DE Sidious
King Piccolo - beginning of Z
4. DCEU Superman
Not sure as DCEU Superman's speed is vastly out of proportion to his other abilities, but I suspect by the beginning of Namek he can either tag Superman or blast him with AoE / make Superman's victory impossible.
5. World Breaker Hulk
Not sure given Hulk vs. flyer fights tend to divulge into whether you can just BFR him.
6. Post Crisis, pre-52 Superman
7. Silver Surfer
8. Pre Crisis Superman
9. Odin
I feel like he surpasses all of these in BoG.
10. Well Fed Galactus
Sometime in Super unless Galactus abuses his haxx.
11. Universal Eternity
12. MJJ
Has yet to.
Re: Re: Earliest Goku that can defeat...
You threw Naruto, who has dodged point blank lightspeed attacks w/o precognition, created a second moon, deflected moon-splitting attacks with his hand, dished out attacks that caused severe storms in surrounding countries as an after effect, and defeated a planet-destroying entity that casually TP'd the entire human race... into the same basket as MCU Thor? Ouch.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Current Goku like threatens the universe with his punches lol.
Superman and Thor beat universe busters.
Not to mention, it was clearly stated the waves were growing in strength the further they traveled. This isn't like Monarch overloading and outright busting a universe, or Hal Jordan erasing them.
Re: Re: Re: Earliest Goku that can defeat...
Originally posted by NewGuy01
You threw Naruto, who has dodged point blank lightspeed attacks w/o precognition, created a second moon, deflected moon-splitting attacks with his hand, dished out attacks that caused severe storms in surrounding countries as an after effect, and defeated a planet-destroying entity that casually TP'd the entire human race... into the same basket as MCU Thor? Ouch.
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Re: Earliest Goku that can defeat...
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Manga + Super only:1. MCU Thor
2. Naruto
3. DE Sidious
4. DCEU Superman
5. World Breaker Hulk
6. Post Crisis, pre-52 Superman
7. Silver Surfer
8. Pre Crisis Superman
9. Odin
10. Well Fed Galactus
11. Universal Eternity
12. MJJ
1. dragonball
2-3. sayain saga
4-5. Namek
6-9. Ssj1-ssj3
10. SSG- Blue
11-12. stops
Re: Earliest Goku that can defeat...
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Manga + Super only:1. MCU Thor
2. Naruto
3. DE Sidious
4. DCEU Superman
5. World Breaker Hulk
6. Post Crisis, pre-52 Superman
7. Silver Surfer
8. Pre Crisis Superman
9. Odin
10. Well Fed Galactus
11. Universal Eternity
12. MJJ
1. Demon King Piccolo Kid Goku- possibly earlier
2. Eh, you have Naruto in the wrong spot. Anyways, for Naruto from current Boruto, which is the most powerful version, it would take at least around Saiyan Saga DBZ Goku, possibly even early Namek saga.
3. Mmh, probably about the same as Naruto. Saiyan saga, probably. Namek saga, for sure.
4. Maybe Namek saga, at most Frieza saga.
5. Honestly? About Namek saga imo.
6. Again, roughly Namek saga.
7. Hm, I'd say at least around Cell saga, probably Buu saga.
8. PC Supe's huh? I'd say Buu saga, imho. BoG's Goku would be more than a few paygrade's too high.
9. Again, I'd say Buu saga. In my book, I could see PC Supe's and Odin around the same level.
10. At least BoG's. The most I could see it taking is Zamasu arc.
11. Most of you might disagree, but I could see a SSJB KKX10 Goku overpowering a Universal Eternity. At least in current. He's capable of going toe-to-toe with Jiren, who is well beyond universal levels of power. Even without that, he's demonstrably superior to GoD Toppo, who was able to shake an infinite dimension just by releasing his energy. I'm not saying that any of them have "infinite power", but they're at least clearly at a level where universal power is simply a few levels below them.
12. MJJ was only universal, right? Not sure whether this is 616 MJJ, or 238 MJJ, but if it's the later, then I would call it a tossup between he and current Goku, as long as Goku is able to use UI. Current Goku should be well above 238 MJJ in terms of raw power, at least. I'd say that 616 MJJ is above any Goku we've seen so far, however.
Re: Re: Re: Earliest Goku that can defeat...
Originally posted by NewGuy01
You threw Naruto, who has dodged point blank lightspeed attacks w/o precognition, created a second moon, deflected moon-splitting attacks with his hand, dished out attacks that caused severe storms in surrounding countries as an after effect, and defeated a planet-destroying entity that casually TP'd the entire human race... into the same basket as MCU Thor? Ouch.
Mid-late DB is a massive leap and my memory of both the original DB and Naruto is too fuzzy to piace exactly where.
Anyway I considered putting Naruto above Sidious or even DCEU Superman but whatever.