If you want to argue intent - as in the intent is for the temple to be the Temple of the Ancients - then refer to the intent of Drew having the temple be 20 meters tall.
If you want to argue purely literal, the description of the temple does not remotely match what it seen / occurs in Forged Alliances and cannot be reconciled in good faith.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
We only see them blow a chunk off one spire, but it is stated Revan laid waste to the temple.Plus, I recall the Bane novel mentioning the temple has no visible injuries of note.
Yeah, which doesn't mean he destroyed it. He fired upon it for a bit but clearly stopped after the players escape.
The book was written before the game, obviously.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If you want to argue intent - as in the intent is for the temple to be the Temple of the Ancients - then refer to the intent of Drew having the temple be 20 meters tall.If you want to argue purely literal, the description of the temple does not remotely match what it seen / occurs in Forged Alliances and cannot be reconciled in good faith.
If its the same temple then it was retconned into being larger. That's just a fact.
Hence why its a retcon. That's how these things work. I already pointed out the reasons it has to be the same temple. That Drew is so incompetent he couldn't be bothered to google what it looked like isn't my fault.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It's the same temple. The Databank entry on the Star Forge only mentions there being a single temple and the Essential Atlas suggests theres nothing on the planet except the Temple of the Ancients. It even has the same computer in the basement. That Bane specifically references the barrier from the game is the obvious indication its the same temple. And since the Rakata in the game are the only Rakata left on the planet, its impossible for Bane to be referencing a different temple.As opposed to Bane stumbling upon another random temple with the same barrier and the same computer than just happens to have Revan's holocron in it even though Revan never explored the planet outside of the temple? Yeah, its a retcon or Drew just messed up the description.
Drew is an incompetent author. If there are any inconsistencies in his descriptions thats the reason. The "four sides" are just his way of describing the spires.
Right, so you are suggesting that the Rakata "homeworld" had no buildings of construction aside from a singular temple?
Yeah, big claim. I am going to need some pretty huge evidence here.
Even if that is true, none of what you said in the first paragraph is irreconcilable with Bane's temple being 20 m tall and completely different. You do realize that the Rakata might just have rebuilt the temple after Revan's flagship had "reduced it to dust". You do realize that in the nearly 3000 year history between SWTOR and Bane's time, the area around the temple and the temple itself could have changed entirely?
"Drew is an incompetent author", I mean seriously? Is that your justification for Drew vastly reducing the size of the temple, completely changing the description of the temple's exteriors, completely changing the overall structure of the temple, despite having worked on creating the game, that has a vastly different temple to the one written?
Yeah, I am calling complete BS on that claim. He'd not only have to be blind, but mentally retarded to mess up the description that bad. And I am not buying that equally ridiculous notion that there was a retcon from KoToR to PoD, and then there was a retcon again from PoD to SWTOR, instead of you know, given that the temple is thousands of years into the future, the vastly more likely possibility that it is a reconstruction, or just a different temple.
"The "four sides" are just his way of describing the spires."
Apparently, even holocrons are like little cylindrical objects with 4 spires attached to it. It would have taken him literally three more words to describe the structure perfectly-"a huge cylindrical building with 4 spires". So yeah, I am again calling complete BS on this one.
Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Right, so you are suggesting that the Rakata "homeworld" had no buildings of construction aside from a singular temple?Yeah, big claim. I am going to need some pretty huge evidence here.
Even if that is true, none of what you said in the first paragraph is irreconcilable with Bane's temple being 20 m tall and completely different. You do realize that the Rakata might just have rebuilt the temple after Revan's flagship had "reduced it to dust". You do realize that in the nearly 3000 year history between SWTOR and Bane's time, the area around the temple and the temple itself could have changed entirely?
"Drew is an incompetent author", I mean seriously? Is that your justification for Drew vastly reducing the size of the temple, completely changing the description of the temple's exteriors, completely changing the overall structure of the temple, despite having worked on creating the game, that has a vastly different temple to the one written?
Yeah, I am calling complete BS on that claim. He'd not only have to be blind, but mentally retarded to mess up the description that bad. And I am not buying that equally ridiculous notion that there was a retcon from KoToR to PoD, and then there was a retcon again from PoD to SWTOR, instead of you know, given that the temple is thousands of years into the future, the vastly more likely possibility that it is a reconstruction, or just a different temple.
"The "four sides" are just his way of describing the spires."
Apparently, even holocrons are like little cylindrical objects with 4 spires attached to it. It would have taken him literally three more words to describe the structure perfectly-"a huge cylindrical building with 4 spires". So yeah, I am again calling complete BS on this one.
None others that survived into the modern era, no. I mean, theres the settlement of the Rakatan survivors I suppose but that was likely built by them. There's no other sign of a surviving structure. The Databank says that the Rakata built "a temple" on Lehon and Essential Atlas says that after Revan looted the temple there was barely anything else of worth on the planet.
You haven't responded to the fact that Revan wouldn't have had the opportunity to hide the holocron anywhere but in the temple of the ancients. Nor that Bane could still feel the protections on the temple, which wouldn't be there if it had been rebuilt. Furthermore, of course the Rakata couldn't have rebuilt the temple. After Kotor there were barely any survivors and they went extinct in a few generations due to their inviable gene pool. Theres no way there were enough to build a temple after Swtor. Also don't quote Ant as if he was a source, nowhere does it say it was reduced to dust. The protections and the computer from the game prove it was intended to be the same temple.
I mean, yes? Because he really is that bad. Its not as if two sources being inconsistent is a new thing. Nihilus' drain looks nothing like was it does between Kotor II and Unseen, Unheard, despite Avellone writing both. And Drew was just the writer, he didn't design the temple or anything. And tbh its not actually that much bigger than 20 meters tall in the first game.
This is a man who wrote an entire chapter for Revan and forgot to put it in the book. Don't underestimate how easily he can overlook something you'd think would be simple. If someone were to ask Drew he'd likely say its intended to be the same temple. There are numerous clear indications that that's the intent. You can think its stupid if you want but its still the case.