Rey's Boulder feat

Originally posted by Kurk
Yeah I want to say that Yoda's mountain feat was proven misleading by someone here a while back...can't remember the specific argument made, but he had assistance from the planet like a nexus.

Yoda had no 'help' when he stopped the mountain-creature dead in its tracks and flung it to the ground initially(said 'help' came shortly afterward.). The planet was never stated to be a nexus. Yoda DID, however, experience a moment of 'unity' with the force.

Originally posted by Kurk
Plus would it make sense? Lifts a mountain but struggles to rotate a senate pod and lift an x-wing.

Anywho, the feat was certainly an outlier -- I'm certainly not saying otherwise. Still happened canonically, though, which is all I ever said. 🙂

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Possibly the best TK feat in canon other than the Vader stuff.

I read DarthAnt's attempt to debunk the feat. Doesn't fly

Yeah I want to say that Yoda's mountain feat was proven misleading by someone here a while back...can't remember the specific argument made, but he had assistance from the planet—like a nexus.

Indeed I can, but the crux of the argument comes down to the information in my last post.

Indeed the planet was alive(in a manner of speaking), but it was explicitly stated that Yoda was using the Force to initially stop the mountain creature and hurl it backwards, while simultaneously incapacitating the evildoers in his vicinity... Ergo this bit of dialogue as Yoda was preforming the aforementioned feats:

And again, the planet itself was never stated to be some sort of nexus that was explicitly amping Yoda or w/e. If you read the story itself without embellishing, it's clear that Yoda experienced a moment of unity with the Force itself by digging deep(the mountain creature was stated to be the most powerful foe he'd ever met up to that point, after all), which allowed him to stop the creature.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yoda then connected to the stones and essentially turned them from foe to friend.

Was a source ever given for this, or are people just embellishing? Because the mountain creature NEVER became Yoda's 'friend', lol -- it wanted to fuggin kill him.

Originally posted by Galan007
I've read the comics numerous times, and don't remember that being stated.

Was a source ever given for this, or are people just embellishing? Because the mountain creature NEVER became Yoda's 'friend', lol -- it wanted to fuggin kill him.

You might recall when he meditated and started collecting with the stones?

I don't have the scans on me, it's been a while.

Indeed the planet was alive(in a manner of speaking), but it was explicitly stated that Yoda was using the Force to initially stop the mountain creature and hurl it backwards, while simultaneously incapacitating the evildoers in his vicinity...

@Galan do you remember where the discussion on the feat you cited occurred?

think it was on the thread made specifically for the comic

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
That was bad phrasing. Yoda learnt how to harness the power within the stones.

You might recall when he meditated and started collecting with the stones?

I don't have the scans on me, it's been a while.

Right, but this is before Yoda meditates and connects to the stones. At the point of the story you're highlighting, Yoda didn't realize the nature of the stones and was simply trying to overwhelm them with brute force.

Yoda learned how to connect with the stones, yes(just as every Padawan must learn to connect with their environment ala the Force)... but unique as they were, the stones were still of the Force(Yoda explicitly stated such.) IOW, the mountain being esoteric by nature doesn't mean Yoda wasn't using TK there. He undoubtedly was.

The feat itself is definitely an outlier that came as a corollary of Yoda's moment of unity with the Force... It's still canon, though, and that's my only point. .

Originally posted by Galan007
No, the text I posted was literally stated just as Yoda stopped the mountain and pushed it back. That's why it's relevant. He used the Force to accomplish the feat.

Yoda learned how to connect with the stones, yes(just as every Padawan must learn to connect with their environment ala the Force)... but unique as they were

the stones were still of the Force(Yoda explicitly stated such.)

IOW, the mountain being esoteric by nature doesn't mean Yoda wasn't using TK there. He undoubtedly was.

Again:

1.) Yoda was never stated to be amped by any outside sources/nexuses/artifacts. Ever.
2.) Yoda experienced a moment of unity with the Force by digging deep within himself -- and *that* is what allowed him to stop the mountain. Clearly stated on panel.
3.) Yes, Yoda 'connected' with the stones, but like I have reiterated: the stones(like nearly everything else in the SW-verse) are still of the Force. Once Yoda learned how to connect with them, he was able to move/manipulate/influence them with the Force... Cuz he's fcuking Yoda. There is literally no reason at all to assume he was using anything but his own TK in that instance.

If you don't think that proves anything, this 'debate' will clearly go nowhere.

...But lets try this a different way: if you disagree with me, please provide some actual evidence(not just personal conjecture) to the contrary. I'll wait. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Again:

1.) Yoda was never stated to be amped by any outside sources/nexuses/artifacts. Ever.
2.) Yoda experienced a moment of unity with the Force by digging deep within himself -- and *that* is what allowed him to stop the mountain. Clearly stated on panel.
3.) Yes, Yoda 'connected' with the stones, but like I have reiterated: the stones(like nearly everything else in the SW-verse) are still of the Force. Once Yoda learned how to connect with them, he was able to move/manipulate/influence them with the Force... Cuz he's fcuking Yoda. There is literally no reason at all to assume he was using anything but his own TK in that instance.

If you don't think that proves anything, this 'debate' will clearly go nowhere.

...But lets try this a different way: if you disagree with me, please provide some actual evidence(not just personal conjecture) to the contrary. I'll wait. 🙂

Well, the other question here is whether Yoda's performance is repeatable or performed in some sort of outlier mental state.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well, the other question here is whether Yoda's performance is repeatable or performed in some sort of outlier mental state.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well, the other question here is whether Yoda's performance is repeatable or performed in some sort of outlier mental state.

Originally posted by Galan007
Anywho, the feat was an outlier -- I'm certainly not saying otherwise. Still happened canonically, though, which is all I ever said. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
The feat itself is definitely an outlier that came as a corollary of Yoda's moment of unity with the Force... It's still canon, though, and that's my only point. .

Alright good for you, I wasn't necessarily contradicting you. 😬

If you don't think that proves anything, this 'debate' will clearly go nowhere.

...But lets try this a different way: if you disagree with me, please provide some actual evidence(not just personal conjecture) to the contrary.

There's two possibilities here

A. Yoda used his connection to the rocks
B. Yoda grew exponentially more powerful in a few hours

The first possibility makes sense as a key part of the comic comes from yoda connecting to the rocks and such a step was considered a necessary prerequisite by Yoda's teacher for Yoda to start using the objects. A general theme thoughout the comic is how the children were disprespecting the mountains by using them as weapons, rather than connecting to them as life. So why would Yoda be shown doing the same thing as the children? The first possibility makes both logical, and thematic sense.

The second possibilty has no precedent. We've never seen Yoda grow at such an exponential rate, further more it doesn't thematically fit as well as the first possibly does.

Considering that, the first possibility is the more likely one.

If you want to counter that, you're going to need to
A. provide proof that Yoda used TK.
B. Explain why possibility b is more logical than possibility A.

Simply saying "Yoda used the force!" means nothing as both possibilities have Yoda using the force. Saying that the rocks are part of the force again, means nothing, as both possibilities work with that fact. Why should we assume it was tk?

Yoda has enough raw power to move a mountain. That's all there is to it. Get this pointless discussion over with already.

People forget that Yoda was on a massive dark side nexus when he performed that poor performance TK feat with the ship(he also could only use a fraction of power to not be detected by darksiders)

So, he was also hindered and only used minimum of his power.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Proving a possibilty, is not quite the same as proving something happened. So far you've stated conditions that make Yoda using tking possible, not likely.

You don't have anything to support your claim other than logical inference. so you're in no position to tell me logical inference isn't a valid form of proof.

There's two possibilities here

A. Yoda used his connection to the rocks
B. Yoda grew exponentially more powerful in a few hours

The first possibility makes sense as a key part of the comic comes from yoda connecting to the rocks and such a step was considered a necessary prerequisite by Yoda's teacher for Yoda to start using the objects. A general theme thoughout the comic is how the children were disprespecting the mountains by using them as weapons, rather than connecting to them as life. So why would Yoda be shown doing the same thing as the children? The first possibility makes both logical, and thematic sense.

The second possibilty has no precedent. We've never seen Yoda grow at such an exponential rate, further more it doesn't thematically fit as well as the first possibly does.

Considering that, the first possibility is the more likely one.

If you want to counter that, you're going to need to
A. provide proof that Yoda used TK.
B. Explain why possibility b is more logical than possibility A.

Simply saying "Yoda used the force!" means nothing as both possibilities have Yoda using the force. Saying that the rocks are part of the force again, means nothing, as both possibilities work with that fact.

No offense, but there's really no reason to entertain these embellished red herrings you've provided, tbh.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The second possibilty has no precedent. We've never seen Yoda grow at such an exponential rate, further more it doesn't thematically fit as well as the first possibly does.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Why should we assume it was tk?

...That's why. 👆

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Alright good for you, I wasn't necessarily contradicting you. 😬

"Well, the other question here is whether Yoda's performance is repeatable or performed in some sort of outlier mental state."

...Hence why I responded with some of my previous posts, so that you knew MY opinion on the matter.

Of course the feat is an outlier -- I certainly never implied that Yoda can run around throwing mountains all over the place, lol. I only brought up the feat in the first place because it is *the* best TK feat in canon. Nothing more, nothing less. 👆