EDIT: well Ant just inserted a bunch of edits so I'll address them in a following post
Since when does your own argument history suggest that any time you claim that feat X is better than what we've seen from character Y, you always have a set of perfect side-by-side, perfectly analogous comparisons to work with? And there are lots of ways to establish points of reference that I don't necessarily do in a numbered summary, like noting lower bounds on the energy / momentum needed to bend lightsaber blades given things that lightsabers have successfully deflected (like small turbolasers and, lmao, Vitiate's lightning).
It seems like you're trying unsuccessfully to backpeddle into salvaging a valid point from your bad reading of my post.
Continued from above
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm interested in how Sidious bending blades can be readily compared to, say, Kun freezing the Senate.
1. More combat relevant
2. Not accomplished via ritual
3. Kun's senate freezing is frankly less impressive than, say, pre-Nathema Vitiate's ritual, and pre-Nathema Vitiate scales below Plagueis.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
To add on, as per DC, the energy shields of hex droids apparently can bend lightsaber blades pretty easily.
Citation needed
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Since when does your own argument history suggest that any time you claim that feat X is better than what we've seen from character Y, you always have a set of perfect side-by-side, perfectly analogous comparisons to work with? And there are lots of ways to establish points of reference that I don't necessarily do in a numbered summary, like noting lower bounds on the energy / momentum needed to bend lightsaber blades given things that lightsabers have successfully deflected (like small turbolasers and, lmao, Vitiate's lightning).It seems like you're trying unsuccessfully to backpeddle into salvaging a valid point from your bad reading of my post.
Why else would you make the claim otherwise? 😕
I mocked the idea because something like bending lightsaber blades would be incredibly different to quantify, especially with Kun.
I can't help but think you just eyeballed it, said "**** it," included it, and are now saving face.
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1. More combat relevant
2. Not accomplished via ritual
3. Kun's senate freezing is frankly less impressive than, say, pre-Nathema Vitiate's ritual, and pre-Nathema Vitiate scales below Plagueis.
Then there's this monstrosity, which is frankly just laughable.
So, we have the first point: Sidious' bending of a lightsaber is more impressive than Kun's freezing of millions (?) of people because it's more "combat relevant," neglecting that Force stasis is a combat-applicable power that Sith like Darth Malak integrate into their main attack patterns. The second point is factually (go and check) baseless, and the third is such a loosely connected comparison and ignorant of almost every imaginable circumstance that I almost had to call my favorite African tribe to start the sacrifices.
Originally posted by The EllimistCitation needed
Credit to DC.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I mocked the idea because something like bending lightsaber blades would be incredibly different to quantify
Of course it's not quantifiable to you because your technical knowledge is basically non-existent. Lightsabers have been tested against numerous properties and physical impacts so we actually have a huge amount of data to work with. We know, pending bizarre mechanics that aren't implied anywhere, that bending lightsaber blades must be more difficult than cutting mando iron. Can you figure out why?
Not that you need to know basic physics to observe that beings more powerful than Exar like Vitiate have launched lightning at lightsaber blades without bending them. <- tbh maybe I should've just posted this because it ends the discussion right there.
LMAO @ calling this unquantifiable but then bringing up Exar's senate feat and making arguments elsewhere about astronomically vaguer demonstrations, such as pseudo-metaphysics about how willing yourself from the dead must be more impressive than willing yourself from not dying in the first place.
"Furthermore, the damaged one demonstrated a potent kind of shield when Shigar got too close. It crossed two limbs into an X and created a short-lived circular electromirror that bent his lightsaber back into a V, almost taking off his arm in the process."
A specialized "kind of" shield (given that it that bends the blade but doesn't bend anything else) that could've easily manipulated the lightsaber's generation of the containment field != Palpatine's lightning which bends the blade through its sheer force. It's almost certainly not analogous if it bends the blade into a "V", given that the blade's field appears to be symmetrical so a field that just bends the entire blade should bend it into a more continuous shape.
(I will gladly concede that Nathema isn't more impressive than freezing a bunch of non-Force sensitives though. Kind of kills your wanking to Revan getting inspired by it for the Thought Bomb or whatever.)
Sidious' full power of his Force lightning bends Windu's lightsabre but does not blast him into a charred husk or entirely demolished? Something is fishy here. Either the 'bent' part in ROTS doesn't mean a literal bent and Sidious' lightning was only putting pressure on Windu's lightsabre(trying to disarm him and getting rid off the lightsabre) or this bending feat can be achieved by anyone if they continously assault someone with Force lightning. There is a difference between a lightning attack that one-shots your lightsabre or one that continously blasts your lightsabre. In the second case, the intensity and the tension is built up.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's a terrible argument whose size, in classic Nai style, gets compounded multiple times over with verbal masturbation.1. Sidious has been stated by multiple sources to be the most powerful Sith Lord in history - it may be the most consistent power accolade in Legends.
2. Though Sidious and Plagueis initially needed to meditate intensely to shift the balance to the dark side to an unprecedented extent, already an incredible feat, by the chronological end of the Plagueis novel it is clear that Sidious's mere presence is throwing the balance of the Force into chaos to a degree far greater than Exar Kun (or anyone) has accomplished. That Sidious's presence is responsible for this shift is further reinforced by the fact that the balance is restored on his death.
3. Sidious's lightning has bent lightsaber blades, something far beyond anything Kun has accomplished even with his amulets on nexuses.
4. Sidious has buried the 19 km long Lusankya and telepathically fogged all witnesses in the middle of Coruscant.
5. Sidious drains telepathically dominates billions of people on Byss 24/7 with no apparent effort.
6. Exar Kun has been stated to be far weaker than SF Malak, who is weaker than Revan, who is below Yoda and TPM Mace given that they're stated to be the most powerful Jedi in history (to their times), who are weaker than Sidious.
7. Sidious retains his identity after death through sheer force of will and the combined spirits of past Jedi throughout history team up to finally drag him back. Kun, meanwhile, needs a dark side nexus to survive as a spirit.
8. Sidious's mere presence is a dark side nexus more powerful than Byss, and shreds space-time itself.
9. Sidious can conjure Force storms that can destroy entire fleets, wreck moons and planetary surfaces, and pinpoint teleport individuals like Luke, all from lightyears away, purely through his own power.
10. Sidious's very presence drains the light side across the galaxy, and through a combination of his presence and abilities he has fogged the precognitive abilities of the entire Jedi Order, including Yoda.
Sidious beats Kun, and any non-godlike individual in the mythos sans Luke.
These points are good. But...
they lack context.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Sidious' full power of his Force lightning bends Windu's lightsabre but does not blast him into a charred husk or entirely demolished? Something is fishy here. Either the 'bent' part in ROTS doesn't mean a literal bent and Sidious' lightning was only putting pressure on Windu's lightsabre(trying to disarm him and getting rid off the lightsabre) or this bending feat can be achieved by anyone if they continously assault someone with Force lightning. There is a difference between a lightning attack that one-shots your lightsabre or one that continously blasts your lightsabre. In the second case, the intensity and the tension is built up.
Or Windu himself is incredibly powerful, given that we scale RotS Windu off of Sidious.
Originally posted by Azronger
Everyone should just put the creature (male, female... what the **** even is the thing?) on ignore. It's been in this same, amaranthine cycle of dishonesty and lying for years (some reports say over a decade... like how ****ing sad must your life be at that point?) and it's never changed its ways. It's all now cumulated into this disgusting filth that's honestly beyond what anyone should be forced to experience.Just put the thing on ignore, never interact with it again, and move on. If you don't, you're just as much as a contributor to the moral and intellectual decay of Star Wars debating as AP; by continuing to interact with it you're providing it with a platform to continue spewing its bullshit.
Just let AP die alone, forgotten and unmourned, and your life will be all the better for it.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Furthermore, the damaged one demonstrated a potent kind of shield when Shigar got too close. It crossed two limbs into an X and created a short-lived circular electromirror that bent his lightsaber back into a V, almost taking off his arm in the process."Credit to DC.
Welp.
Nice find. 👆