Superman One Million Vs Death Seed Sentry

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Oh God the effort.

Still 4 posts full of shit. BRAVO. 😆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You know, it's rare that I actually have to put people on ignore. I haven't done it with Carver, h1, bluewaterrider.

Realitywarper though? Yes. He actually PMs debates he has with others on other sites....

IOW, his ego simply wants boosting. Prob links other people to how well he's 'owning' you. Used to do the Sharivan thing too....he seems the one guy who really got into his head.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Your entire post is not worth responding to.

You keep using this psychological projection...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually intolerant may constantly accuse other people of being intolerant. It incorporates blame shifting.

According to some research, the projection of one's unconscious qualities onto others is a common process in everyday life.

I used to accuse Abhi of handwaving away things all the time, but at least Abhi would have a basis with some proof to do so. Maybe an explanation as well. At least what Abhi said did start off with some discussion on said object before hand. Abhi would stimulate a debate either before or after I felt he started handwaving things.
You are not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

"Ok. Sir." 👆

[B]You are trying to poorly divert the debate on my supposed qualities and default "according to you".

That's an usual tactic used by politician when they are caught using logical fallacies and trying to make them pass for actual arguments.

Try harder. I don't fall for it.

If you can actually explain why and where I should respond to your post, I will. But right now, simply saying "That's irrelevant" without even trying to explain why, and basically "no you are" again, without explaining why isn't worth a retort.

I've explained why it's irrelevant.

You are using examples whom doesn't correlate to the topic at hand, aka knowing how powerful Sentry is physically, because the whole Helicarrier instance require FINESS over RAW POWER.

I explained that multiple times already.

I am trying to explain my case, and I can explain why and how everything I say is important. You however, are not. Why are the things I say not worth taking into consideration? "Because it's not!" Oh, ok nevermind.

You are using pointless examples, unrelated to the Celestial example.

I've already explained why the example differs. MULTIPLE TIMES.

I could go up to h1 right now, and he would at least try to explain everything he says with made up math, and how powerful that is in relation. Why was Exitar using his entire power there? Because he wanted to land? So why is it not even worth taking into consideration that no one in comics ever has put their max power into a descent? That seems like a pretty pertinent question to me. Why was it never said that Sentry was as powerful as Exitar since he solely stopped him on his own?

Why would we assume the opposite ? Do you have any proof that suddenly Exitar isn't doing his best to land on Earth to accomplish his duty ?

Why is the only actual explanation on the feat saying that it was a joint effort?

You are handwaving the part where Rogue is shown to be completely useless before Sentry own intervention because that suits your narrative.

What are you actually presenting my way to try and convince me of the feat? Rogue didn't stop him on his own?

Rogue tried and did jack squat.

I've bring proof on panel and you bring your opinion about it.

Well, here's some real world examples and a comic one. Doesn't count. So what did you actually present to me to prove the argument? Sentry has unlimited power, and Exitar stopped? I can and have addressed that, with the very things you just handwaved away and then repeated yourself to serve your own logic.

I've presented facts. I don't care if you don't like them because ultimately that's all that matter.

The more you pertaining that conversation, the more you are convincing me that you are biased.

About addressing some pertinent arguments... Where are they exactly ?

So ignoring who is correct, if you looked at this argument without a dog in this race, who is actually providing something to back up their argument? What have you presented, what have you refuted? Explain that, and I will delve into what you feel is important.

Read my previous posts again.

I want you to read and think about what I'm saying. Simply trying to mirror my arguments or wave it away don't speak that way. Refusing to post proof doesn't speak that way. Refusing to answer a question multiple times doesn't speak that way.

It does, I don't have to discuss fallacious arguments that suits your opinion over what happened into the story.

Refusing an answer on a irrelevant loaded question is a logical outcome.

The fact that you don't see why you are wrong speaks volumes about your ability at debating... Otherwise you wouldn't stick to your Argumentum Verbosium and drag down the debates with that poor attempts at antagonizing me like comparing me to Abhi and h1...

Debating isn't about closing your ears and putting your thumb up your bum. Debating is about actually refuting things, thinking about it, and maybe raising your own case. When I say something is irrelevant I will explain why. When you say something is irrelevant, you do not. Simply throwing around words without an explanation doesn't refute the point. I thought it was relevant, simply answering me with irrelevant doesn't cause me to self reflect on why it wasn't relevant.

Very nice.

Now apply the advice to yourself.

If you don't understand why it's irrelevant, then read my previous posts where I explained why.

I don't want the last word.

You literally want the last paragraphs.

Your posts are completely empty of arguments actually.

I never have. What I want, is for you to know why what I think of what you said was wrong. That is why it's hard for me to read posts and not respond, because I still feel you are wrong, and here is why.
If you are simply going to respond to what I feel is important posts with absolutely zero explanation of why what I said is wrong, you are not actually looking to have a conversation. You are not looking to prove me wrong. What you are doing, is trying to shut me up with a snappy retort. You won because I didn't respond, congratulations. Now what did you actually prove to stop this multiple post debate? Think about that. I want you to blow me off the ****ing map with things that leave me dumbfounded. Unfortunately, that is more first post type of shit, since if you had that evidence, it would have happened.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

You are trying to kill the debate with boredom.

OK. Relevancy of that paragraph = 0.

Here is a recent example:
Elliminist made the ball detonation argument in the Hal Jordan vs Goku thread. And I will fully admit, it made me think. He was wrong in a lot of cases, but he presented something, and he presented it well. And I am still unsure of whether or not when a ball detonates, that it creates an additional damage source. Which is why I never refuted that if you go back and look (though I do feel that the ball initially contains all the damage it needs, but whether the explosion adds additional is untouched material).
Elliminist explained himself. He actually talked about the feat without "here's how it is". He actually tried to sway people's opinions. I think even Galan would admit he made him think. He might disagree with almost everything, but he made him think about it and hesitate.
And I don't think you tried to lead me to a different opinion. I don't think you tried to change my mind. I think you just tried to silence me and hope I'd fall for it. If you can debate everyone for multiple pages, you can apply the effort to try and prove your case. Not just shit out a reply for a replies sake.

I don't care about how other people debate.

I don't care what Eliminist arguments are about Hal and Goku.

That's as irrelevant as the rest of your posts actually.

That's not worth reading.

The best debate I ever had was against Operator. That's not because it got way too long, it's because both of us were always trying to explain ourselves with a new angle or feats. I'd say something and he'd show why it's wrong, and then repeat. I still think I was right, and maybe if I did read his last response, it might have swayed me. But what happened is we weren't just shitting out responses to pad length. And I fully think you are capable of actually responding to things. Ironically it was about Molecule Man too, who you can only piggyback off of as opposed to raising your own claims.

Ok.

I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-T

Now, I don't expect you to respond to this because I know you lack the ability as of this moment. But I do want you to read this. I want you think about this and improve how you present things. Why are things the way they are? Why are you correct and I am wrong? If your answer is paraphrased as "Because you are." then you need to go quite a bit deeper.

*yaddah yaddah yaddah*

That's just another chapter at trying to catch my character.

Uninteresting and irrelevant.

Looks like there's nothing left to say.

Even Carver understands this fundamental concept. Carver will explain. Carver will refute. What Carver lacks however, is an ability to understand well, anything. I'm not trying to insult you either, I just want to avoid these wall debates in the future. I don't want to have to avoid you because of frustration. I want to seek out an actual discussion where I'm not bouncing a tennis ball off a wall. I'd rather walk away feeling dumb than walk away wanting to smash my face off a hammer.
Blow my shitty opinion away, don't just cover your ears and handwave it away.

Same shit as aboe.

And that's my rant.

I noticed and I don't care.

Handwave it away if you must. If your response is pretending you provided tons of proof, you would have posted it before hand.

Actually I'm the only one of us whom posted proof.

My scan about Rogue actually proved my point.

You posted an irrelevant scan about another issue with a totally different setting and context.

Here are what I deem merits some response. And not "Heh, sounds like you. Gotcha homo!" responses.

Do you mean when you are projecting ? It looks definitely this way.

Though I don't really feel it merits some response,

It clearly doesn't.

Your post is empty of arguments or logical reasoning. 🙁

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*read my previous posts*

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Then I am wrong.

Though continuing to repeat that Sentry is the most powerful man in existence doesn't help matters. And piggybacking off of Molecule Man to try and prove Sentry is the most powerful man in existence doesn't help. What is he?
However, Sentry is just as powerful as Exitar. Now what does that change in what I said?

Why is the omnipotent Exitar and most powerful energy source in existence only equal to Sentry in your opinion? Why would they say that about Exitar after Sentry stopped him?
Why why why?

You want to accuse everything you don't like as either strawmanning or irrelevant, then how about you stop using red herrings everytime you think you have a point?

How am I the fanboy here? Who am I a fanboy of, Exitar?

I'm a fanboy of what actually happened. I'm not adding in powers and piggybacking of of others to try and paint someone as the best thing since sliced bread. I want the feat to be seen as what the feat actually is. Which is already impressive. What I don't want is for people to ignore all logic and evidence to try and paint it as infinitely more impressive than it already is.

"Sentry just matched all the heroes on Earth."
"No wait, he actually matched Exitar and all the heroes pooled together are an insignificant feeb in comparison"
"He's the most powerful man in existence"

What is the relevance of Exitar's strength? If you can't actually explain why he did the feat, you can't try and paint Exitar as infinite. If you're going to ignore Exitar being omnipotent and the most powerful energy source in existence. If you're going to ignore him being half the plan and a summary saying it was a joint effort. If you're going to completely ignore the fact that no one has ever put all their strength into descending. Exitar's strength is largely irrelevant. We do not know what sort of power he was putting into his feat, nor do we know if he can put more into flying forward.

Yes I know he would be pushing. My entire point that has been ignored and handwaved away is that nobody ever has put all their power into descent. I've spammed it everywhere. You have never actually tackled it. The closest you've come is basically saying he was putting effort into it. Yes, of course he was. That however only syncs up with what I'm saying. I know he was pushing. What I don't believe is that all his ****ing power was directed into going downwards. I don't think he can.

Which is why in this instance, a normal person would actually provide proof that he was. That a statement would apply to Exitar that said they were matching his entire power. Any ****ing thing would exist somewhere for us to say this. It'd be the same shit if someone said Superman wrist curling a planet was his max power. No, it is not. It is not and never has been the most advantageous position. When something occurs out of the norm of how we view max power output, we do not assume it's everything they have with evidence. It's the reason why huge punches in comics aren't drawn as jabs.

Not only that, but the guy has to apply more or different power to destroy the planet. Are we to assume all of Exitar's power is used to land on the planet, and then he just uses a minuscule amount when he destroys the planet? That shit makes no sense. Especially when he's actually shown to be moving in a large force motion when he destroys the planet.

Could Sentry stop Exitar's punch just because he stopped his downwards movement? No? Then maybe you should reexamine the feat.

Did you just say the crew getting ragdolled and smashing into everything and the helicarrier being stopped suddenly is irrelevant? You realize that was in retort to you saying that is exactly what Sentry was trying to avoid, don't you?

This is what I was saying earlier. Why is it irrelevant? Because your headcanon exists that says he was trying to save everyone by not putting in max force? That still doesn't make it irrelevant. The crew smashed around hard. The portrayal is that Sentry was just trying to stop it.

Even if you can prove that Sentry was trying to save everyone by not pushing too hard (which I've asked for proof for), the overall example still stands as relevant and contradictory.

Now, maybe the explanation does exists. I'm not ruling it out. But when you keep saying the explanation like it's a fact, while I ask for proof, and then rule out what I said without providing proof but continuing to repeat yourself...
If you're lost, I asked for proof of what you said. Provide it. Don't sit on your ivory throne and pretend you're Mr Knowledge and everyone else is wrong.

It's not even important to the conversation, but I personally want you to prove Sentry was just trying not to cause massive deceleration (which happened when Ms Marvel stopped it anyway). It is an easy, simple thing to prove. So do it.

*sigh*

Argumentum ad Nauseam....

If Exitar wasn't putting all of his power in the descent, he wouldn't have been stopped.

Plain and simple.

For the rest I've addressed it plenty of times already.

You are trying to poorly overwhelm the conversation with over-lengthen paragraph and loads of irrelevant loaded questions.

The irrelevancy of your posts is as big as it is. Argumentum Verbosium I said.

I could be mistaken.

Lol with him, there's always something to say.
Whether it's of any value, is a different story.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol with him, there's always something to say.
Whether it's of any value, is a different story.

Also that conversation had nothing to do with the actual thread. Thread is still game on Riv.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Do you still not understand what scale means? Do you not understand what examples are?
I've said multiple times it doesn't matter how much power Sentry put into it. I'm not trying to lowball him. I'm saying it's the exact same thing.

Obviously I'm not trying to compare the power of the two, that's retarded. Even mocking this when you compare it more to a hydraulic press should have overruled this. But you are not thinking logically about it.

My example of the hydraulic is sound, because at least I'm presenting two cases with the same logical outcome aka two characters trying to counter a force going downward that they cannot stop at all.

Come on. You refuse to actually address half the things, and have an utter refusal to post proof or even explain your points.

I have all right to refuse answering to your poor attempts at moving the goalposts on irrelevancies. If you think that I will fall for this fallacious debating tactics only used by beginners, I will not.

You have, and will never convince anyone with that attitude.

The same way I will not convince religious fanatics that their god is a fictional character and that blowing up their asses will not give them a free entrance for some fictional realm. Understood. 👆

And you know that, because you pm'ed me a debate you had with Sharivan where you were actually refuting points, and posting proof. You have not devolved I think, you are simply clinging to nothing right now in the hopes that I stop.

I've actually told you that we can agree to disagree but hey, you are the one trying to antagonize me during 99% of the debate.

You are speaking about the scales but once more, you don't understand the difference in power between the heroes on Earth and a simple Celestial, so I guess that understanding the massive difference in power between Exitar and a single Celestial is too complicated. Right ?

Don't lecture me when you know for a fact you are not doing all you can to convince me, or even yourself.

99% of your posts are devoid at lecturing me...

Oh the irony ! 😆

Read yourself again please.

You can't teach me anything from how you're debating right now, because I've debated against people doing this tactic, lots. It's the reason why H1 is on ignore. It's the reason why I've considered the same here. And it's the reason why Galan and Phildo told me to put you on ignore. Because you will fall victim to shitty debating practices the second you are backed into a corner and can't defend your point.

Here we are back at your habit at using the psychological projection. I thought you was done with it. I'm reassured.

How did you explain a small scale test and then use a perfect example and try and toss it at me?

Let's see:

Helicarrier falling =/= Exitar pushing down.

A simple observation give you the answer but you are so full into your faulty analogy that you cannot backtrack it. Too bad for you.

The quantity of effort is reduced? So that's like using a lot less power than moving a planet, no? It was proportionally reduced, Sentry could not land the helicarrier on his own, and was having almost no luck until Ms Marvel and Wonder Man came in. You literally just showed why it was the same thing.

I will try again with keywords, because the previous sentences didn't hit you...

Finesse =/= Raw power.

Oh but maybe you don't what "finesse" and "raw power" means. Google it.

I assumed you knew those words. My bad.

No, it's not proportionally reduced because in the case of a "small test scale" all of the other settings have to be reduced accordingly. That means that Sentry power would have to be reduced too.

Anyway that's... ****ING IRRELEVANT.

They used a fraction of their power to stop a fraction of the weight, and needed help to stop it immediately. Simple, same thing even following your guidelines.

Read above.

However, to explain it without your guidelines and getting hung up on your refusal to even think they could be similar.
A weight was falling down. A man tried to stop it. He could not stop it in time. 2 people came and stopped it instantly. Everyone contributed.

Exitar wasn't falling down.

Did you had physics class or... ?

Yeah, a man tried to avoid the weight to suddenly stop and kill everyone on board. Different context than versus Exitar where Sentry actually produced an effort to stop the Force going down.

Now here's the problem. You can not think past the similarities or lack thereof in your case. Which is why I continue asking you about it. If Exitar never existed in canon.

Projecting.

Was everyone providing the power to stop the helicarrier, or did Ms Marvel/Wonder Man do all of the work? Sentry did nothing, and as soon as they put their hands on it, it stopped. It looks like they did all the work, does it

Can you answer this? I'm really confused about it. Can you pretend you are actually trying to prove your case. Can you not shut your ears and lalalala me? I feel this is important, what happened there?

The Helicarrier feat is irrelevant, it's not surprising that you keep trying to divert the discussion on something that have a different context.

I am over simplifying it because that's exactly what you're saying.

Over-simplfying = changing an explanation to something that suits you = Strawmaning.

I've already shown examples of people doing nothing on their own against a weight that can have some effort on. It visibly looks like they did nothing, but a smart man knows better.

****ing irrelevant.

Sentry was far from using his full power because not only that was unneeded but dangerous for the crew.

You aren't even using logic here.

Projecting...

You're assuming Rogue did absolutely zero percent of the work

Her effort was negligible.

when that is simply how nothing works.

Yes it does.

Sentry has never fought Rogue with all the powers of the world.

Sentry has destroyed Molecule Man. Heck, I wonder why they don't bring Rogue with all the powers of the world in every fight because that seems to be the ultimate answer for you.

We do not know if he makes her look insignificant. We have nothing to show he is infinitely above her in strength, and this was far and away Sentry's best strength feat. You can't assume she did nothing at all, because you have no evidence. Evidence to the contrary actually.

Evidence shows she was useless because Exitar was sinking down and not slowed down.

[IMAGE]https://i.imgur.com/5ekrtXQ.jpg[/IMAGE]

Even if she did 5 percent of the work, she is still providing effort. She is still pushing.

Sure pal.

If Joe the Funny Guy and an ant are pushing my feet so I cannot land of the ground, the ant totally 50% of the job too.

Rogue was completely useless. Deal with it.

The fact that we have them saying half, and it being a joint effort proves she was had something to do with him being stopped. It is completely irrefutable. You are using examples that follow nothing except your self serving logic.

They said Half of the PLAN, not the effort.

I've already posted the definition of what PLAN means and you handwaved it because it crushed your beliefs.

Rogue was 50 % of the IDEA, about the effort she was an INSECT, completely useless.

The hydraulic press is only relevant because Sentry stopped Exitar. That is the bread and butter.

No, it is only relevant because if you put a metahuman and an human under the press and that the press is stopped, there is a big hint that's the metahuman whom stopped it and avoided the human to be crushed....

But hey, double standards.

But I've shown and used real world and a comic example to show this is not the case. Things can do nothing on their own on the surface, but in actuality will be providing a large percent. You have not even pretended this could exist, because the hydraulic press, and Sentry stopped Exitar. Do you see where the issue arises?

Already explained above.

But really, this is completely overruled by the summary saying it was a joint effort. Which means she was helping.

Yes she was trying to help.

There is no getting around that. All of what I said is only to back that up. You have not proven anything, you are ignoring everything, and are accusing me of being a fanboy? Hilarious.

Look at the scan that I've posted above, again, and tell me who is the one ignoring proofs on panel... Oh well that's you.

And what if thousands of people are pushing against the hydraulic press? Is each one nothing pushing? This is the whole concept here.

Yeah and Rogue powered by thousands of her kind was completely useless, as shown on panel.

Additional force helps. That's what happens in real life, that's what happens in comics.

It helps when it's not completely NEGLIGIBLE LIKE HERE.

That's what happened against Exitar.

It doesn't.

It was a joint effort as they say.

They were two to push and only Sentry had a relevant strength but hey... Hello to your double standards again. 🙂

Come on man. I ****ing called it. How can you accuse me of not reading anything when you pull this shit?

It is just plain obvious.

The fact that you can't answer it speaks volumes.

It speaks volumes about your inability to grasp the context and ask pertinent questions.

1. Sentry provided 50% of the required strength to stop Exitar. Captain America said, that Rogue was only half of the equation. That's the only solid proof we have in the entire debate, so that's the only thing we can go with.

Also in that regard Realitywarper is a complete and utter moron. Like always. You have to be next level dumb to come up with the statement that Rogue did absolutely nothing and that it was all the Sentry. That's not bias, that's straight up a delusion, which needs to be looked at.
If he was a smart person, his proof would be Iron Mans statement after Sentry steps in to stop Exitar. Iron Man says: "Whoever the hell Wasp has holding that other foot--they've stopped the Celestial's descent!"
Now from the wording alone one could make the argument, that Iron Man doesn't mean Rogue and the Sentry, but rather all the people, who in Iron Mans mind must be holding Exitar. That THEY have stopped Exitar.
But again, I personally would call that poor wording, rather than Remender having the Sentry, and only the Sentry in mind.

2. The entire debate leaves way too many questions open, which can't be answered. How strong was Rogue actually? How much of Sentrys equal 50% strength came from himself and how much from the Death Seed power upgrade?

It was not about stopping the weight of a planet. Exitar was pushing down with much more kinetic power than the weight of a simple planet is.
We've seen Hyperion alone keeping two Earths from crashing into each other for an unknown period of time. Some argue that he was holding two universes apart. Even just holding two Earths apart would be interesting enough, but then he also slowed down a planet, larger than the Earth, that was approaching at 500.000 miles per hour. Hyperion alone. And Rogue had his strength. Rogue also had the strength of many other strong super heroes like Blue Marvel, Hulk, Thor eventually, Wonder Man, Captain Britain and so on, and so on.
Did all the strength levels of those heroes stack? Or was just the strength of the physically strongest one of them all active, and then additionally amped by gamma radiation? I kinda believed that all the strength levels stacked. Now did Rogue utilize all of that strength perfectly? Who knows.
How would have a regular Sentry at his best performed in the same situation? I personally would argue that he would have done pretty damn fine, if we look at certain stuff during his run... like his fights against the Void and what the Void did to high heralds like Hulk and Thor. Sentry has insane levels of physical strengths. He always had.

3. The entire argument with the bench press spotter and the hydraulic press are faulty beyond belief.

I won't get into the hydraulic press too much, because it's just RealityWarper being an idiot again, but... the spotter argument, I would like to debunk.
Some people try to take credit away from the Sentry by saying, that Rogue did all the heavy lifting and Sentry did the tiny bit necessary so that she could do all the work. You know, like spotting works, when you lift weights. Taking a little bit weight away can give you the needed strength to move the weight up. You'll often see that with forced negative reps, where a spotter helps you move the weight up, but you move the weight down on your own, since you have much more strength and control during the negative phase of a rep.

I've been lifting weights for years and I know how all of that works, but... I can counter the bench press argument the same way I told a guy "no", who asked me to spot him. It was a skinny guy, who I sometimes watched, while he was taking way too much weight and doing joint breaker reps. And one day he asked me to spot him on the bench press. I told him, that I couldn't help him out, because I had done deadlifts yesterday.

The bench press argument works in the exact reverse. Rogue could have done 90% of the work, but that was too much and she needed the last 10% from the Sentry, do stop Exitar. She on the bench, he spotting the weight up.
But Rogue could have also done the 10% of the work, not standing a chance against all of the weight on the bench and then the Sentry had to put in 90% of the work by deadlifting the weight up.
But that didn't apply for neither one of them. Rogue did 50% of the work and so did the Sentry. That's what one source (Captain America) told us, and then the summary of the next issue kinda confirmed it more or less as well.

4. Sentry didn't need Ms. Marvels and Wonder Mans help with the Helicarrier. That is overall such a weird moment in Sentry comics.

I personally think it was more of a tough balancing act, rather than a lifting task.
Sentry was in a similar position before, where he had to balance something arguably equally big and heavy like the helicarrier ( https://imgur.com/WdGS3CY ). Did did rather that than lifting the entire ship, since that would have killed people on board.
On top of that every time Ms. Marvel needed strength, Sentry was there to help her out ( https://i.imgur.com/qVQ2KSr.jpg ). On top of that Sentry offered to sink an island during a fight ( https://imgur.com/rNNyqNC ). Pretty sure that he wouldn't struggle with lifting an (EMPTY!!!) helicarrier.

5. Why hasn't RealityWarper been banned yet?

Ban him for his own good. He is constantly getting verbally abused by everyone.
At this point he has suffered so much mental defeat, that every time someone even dares to question his multiversal power level wank he goes defensive and starts throwing out random ass fallacies, without realizing that he is a fallacy victim (overloaded question fallacy, Dunning Krueger effect, backfire effect, four stages of competence and I could go on and on).

6. On topic:

Comic book battles are not about feats. The question is never who has better feats, but who would win in a fight. One could make an argument for Silver Surfer having more averagely decent feats than the Sentry - maybe even straight up better feats than the Sentry... But Sentry would still punch a hole through Silver Surfers chest. It wouldn't even be a close fight, if they were to fight for real. Everyone, who is free of bias knows that.

Superman-Prime: One Million might have questionable feats (which is also very, very arguable), but he would still beat the Sentry due to Supermans backstory and what exposure to solar radiation does to him.
I personally like to try to keep things simple, when it comes to overall power levels and in relation to those also power output and durability. In my mind the overall more powerful someone like Superman gets, the more molecular density he gets for example. And there is always a limit to how easy powerful molecule manipulations should be to pull such molecules apart. I mean, wasn't that one of the reasons why the Hulk has a slightly better resistance to molecule manipulation than many others?

I think that a character like the Sentry, who does a lot of stuff subconsciously is a perfect example to explain power and durability. Like when the Sentry punches an opponent into the ground... Why doesn't the ground completely give in and cause an Earthquake, which levels the entire city? Because he doesn't have the strength to do so? Of course he has the strength. He has done such stuff.
But I would argue that he subconsciously increases the molecular density of the environment to avoid all too much property damage.

The same applies to Superman. Now be it his assumed mental powers increasing his molecular density or all the solar radiation, but I personally believe that at Superman-Prime: One Million levels Superman would be too durable for the Sentry to get through with all of his offense. He wouldn't have the needed damage output to put Superman-Prime: One Million down.

But that's just my opinion.

PS: In the better character department Sentry ruins all of the Superman versions, even if you combine them into one Superdudebrocharacter.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Also in that regard Realitywarper is a complete and utter moron. Like always. You have to be next level dumb to come up with the statement that Rogue did absolutely nothing and that it was all the Sentry. That's not bias, that's straight up a delusion, which needs to be looked at.
If he was a smart person, his proof would be Iron Mans statement after Sentry steps in to stop Exitar.

You are actually the last person on Earth to have the right to judge my intelligence.

You are still reported for this.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

You are still reported for this.

We both know, that you're reporting me, because you can't stand the fact, that you'll always be living in my shadow, when it comes to Sentry knowledge.

But hey, at least when it comes to Sentry idiocy, all the spotlight is on you and only on you. You did it.

How about we all cease the dick waving and the flaming before warnings are issued out, hmm?

Back to topic, please.

There we go. To defend the bench press argument, I'm not saying it was akin to a bench press, I was just using it as an example to show that doing **** all with the bench press still has you pushing most of the weight. Even if it gets lodged on your chest and you can't move it, if a spotter makes it look easy, you are still moving most of the weight. Not zero weight like RW implies.
A more accurate argument would be to have both guys pressing, but that would defeat the highlight of how little it can look like you're actually doing, but you are doing a lot.
But yes, both Sentry and Rogue were in the same position. Rogue was just exerting herself longer, not providing more strength.

The helicarrier whatever you want to spin it into like Warper was doing was brought up because it mirrors the Exitar feat. One thing is falling, suddenly it stops. The people who came in didn't do more weight, they just provided extra power.
I still think Bendis just ****ed up though. It was intended all strength, etc, but it really doesn't matter. Sentry was ramping up his strength from that point on even in that arc. He went from a ***** to completely pushing in Femtron's shit. The helicarrier was when he was still acting like a pussy.

Both examples were brought up just to reinforce how help you know, helps, but I didn't know what I was getting into.

Originally posted by Enzeru
[B]We both know, that you're reporting me, because you can't stand the fact, that you'll always be living in my shadow, when it comes to Sentry knowledge.

You are thinking WAY TOO HIGH OF YOURSELF.

I don't give a shit about what people think about me.

You are nothing to me.

But hey, at least when it comes to Sentry idiocy, all the spotlight is on you and only on you. You did it.

Psychological projection like your whole previous post, indeed. 👆

I asked for everyone to return to the topic or action would be taken. I acted.

Everyone please return to the topic at hand and stop the bickering.

That point about Sentry being a power source for Superman is a pretty good one, actually. Power of a million exploding suns...powered by suns...good point.

^^^Apollo derives power from the sun, too, yes? At least he did in the Wild Sorm days.
So, if he took a dip in Sentry, he might be off the charts.

I don’t think that Sentry is solar powered. The exploding stars catch phrase is a power level comparison in my opinion.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I don’t think that Sentry is solar powered. The exploding stars catch phrase is a power level comparison in my opinion.

It's all in the wording. He has the power of a million exploding stars, it never states that he is powered by a million exploding stars, or that he radiates the power of a million exploding stars,

Sentrys powers come from the Sun, according to handbooks