American Eagle Vs Bane

Originally posted by Supermutant
sigh I said "could have been" not making a definitive statement that's why I asked the question. I also didn't state that Thing was only a class 10 tonner when he arm wrestled AE, only that he started at that level when he first got his powers. I was thinking with the artwork he might have been around 35 or so tons by the AE scan, but like I said nice feat for AE either way.

The Minerva Cheetah definitely has the feats to be cl 100 like stalemating WW in a test of strength but this isn't a Cheetah feats thread, and I don't care enough to post her feats.

^^^Oddly (but importantly), thats not the same Cheetah Bane is momentarily holding (before getting help from Ragdoll) in the scan supermutant posted:

The scan he posted just has Catman saying Cheetah can take a punch from WW. Thst doesn't prove she's class100.
Actually, the WW in your scan likely wasnt class100 either, going by the era. That was Perez WW, during the Byrne Superman era, and she wasnt near as strong as Supes back then.

To re-cap:
Stilt posts a scan of AE stalemating Ben Grimm in arm wrestling. supermutant responds with a badly worded post casting aspersions on Ben's strength level.
I post stats on Ben (and AE).
He comes back a bit irate, still trying to muddy the waters of the Stilt scan feat in regards to Ben's strength.

He's all over the place. He says things like, 'You are the only one who thought I was unclear' when there was literally no one else responding to him. He claims class100 status for one Cheetah based on Bane holding onto another.
He tries to make things personal because i dont take his version of things at face value.
Personally this has been fun af for me, though it -is- nice to have gotten a couple of posts from two of my favorite KMCers, too.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
u got the scan of eagle beating bullseye? i thought this thread waa about jack flag for some reason

Originally posted by Sin I AM
u got the scan of eagle beating bullseye? i thought this thread waa about jack flag for some reason

Full battle AE vs BE

https://imgur.com/a/yW0x2

I always considered that payback for what the T'bolts especially Bullseye did to Jack Flag. He crippled Jack and AE crippled him.

Originally posted by riv6672

To re-cap:
Stilt posts a scan of AE stalemating Ben Grimm in arm wrestling. supermutant responds with a badly worded post casting aspersions on Ben's strength level.

Again my post was only badly worded to one who lacks basic reading comprehension. I also like how its "casting aspersions" to basically ask for the context of a scan b/c scans especially posted on message boards are never misleading, right.

You thought your answer was cute or smart, when it actually revealed your lack of knowledge and basic understanding of comics. You can take any character that's been around awhile and see significant differences in their power level from when they started to current. Kingpin used to beatdown Daredevil and Spiderman at the same time, since that period either one has thrashed him consistently on their own. When Sabretooth started he didn't even have a healing factor, Iceman could only throw snowballs in the beginning, Sue could only turn invisible. Black Tarantula goes from beating down Spider-man to getting beat by Bullseye in jail.

Like any character lol who's been around gets upgraded or downgraded depending on the period and/or the individual story arc. This isn't some new concept, and I even tried to explain it with pictures for you.

Originally posted by riv6672
I post stats on Ben (and AE).
He comes back a bit irate, still trying to muddy the waters of the Stilt scan feat in regards to Ben's strength.

Another trick you like to use is to claim someone else is getting emotional, when all they are doing like myself is showing how incredibly wrong you are. Asking for the correct context for a scan is like comics 101.

Originally posted by riv6672
He's all over the place. He says things like, 'You are the only one who thought I was unclear' when there was literally no one else responding to him. He claims class100 status for one Cheetah based on Bane holding onto another.
He tries to make things personal because i dont take his version of things at face value.
Personally this has been fun af for me, though it -is- nice to have gotten a couple of posts from two of my favorite KMCers, too.

Duh other people read this thread too. You are the only one who is unclear that asking for the proper context does not equate to trying to lowball. Especially when looking at the early appearances of a character. So the only place I am on is on the side of basic knowledge of how comics work. The fact that cl 100 Minerva Cheetah can trade punches with WW puts her above Thing especially this old version of Thing which is all that really matters. Pre 52 Bane off of venom was able to temporarily restrain someone who is stronger and significantly faster than Thing. Again calling you out on your trolling is just that and nothing more.

And don't think I have forgotten lol

Originally posted by riv6672
Hell, AE can likely blitz Bane. He moves at 65mph.

I'm still waiting on these speed feats that you have boasted about a couple of times in this thread. By the way who has AE beaten that is better than Bane?

Again I'll be eagerly awaiting for your proof.

Guess we're in the sama boat.
I'm still waiting on proof of class100 Cheetah.
Other than your opinion.
-My- opinion is a guy who can literally move over a mile a minute (AEs speed is cited in the original handbook, and every stat site i've ever seen him on) enjoys a speed advantage here.

But thats neither here nor there. What matters is, after everything you've said about me (my trickery and trolling), -you're- still here.

Originally posted by riv6672
Guess we're in the sama boat.

That attempting to equate current/modern Thing with Ben from 1981 was foolish on your part. Absolute agreement

Originally posted by riv6672
I'm still waiting on proof of class100 Cheetah. Other than your opinion.

Why? Your thread is about AE vs Bane. You can give Cheetah whatever strength level you want, doesn't change her feats.

Originally posted by riv6672
-My- opinion is a guy who can literally move over a mile a minute (AEs speed is cited in the original handbook, and every stat site i've ever seen him on) enjoys a speed advantage here.

lol I already showed why handbooks are unreliable, plus travel speed doesn't equate to fighting speed. And Cap can do the same thing lol. Doesn't mean guys like Crossbones can't touch him, b/c they certainly have. Cap trades blows with streets and low metas all the time. Heck even Bullseye and Batroc have traded blows with Cap.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/1QapG.jpg

Anyways Bane has metahuman speed even w/o venom. And Batman stated that Bane is faster than him.

So in other words you have no proof of AE being faster than Bane in combat which is the only thing that matters. Even if this was a track meet Bane has metahuman speed. People tend to forgot that venom increases his speed, and stamina, as well as his durability and strength.

Originally posted by riv6672
But thats neither here nor there. What matters is, after everything you've said about me (my trickery and trolling), -you're- still here.

Yeah b/c I enjoy laughing at you, especially when you keep digging a bigger whole for yourself. You attempted to make it appear that I was way off based for wanting to know the context of an old scan. When in fact you were way off base for not recognizing a simple comic principal that powers and strength level often varies over time. It has been proven and establish over and over again in comics. Thing in his early appearances and modern Thing do not automatically equate to the same power level. The same can be said for just about every character who has been around for awhile. Its really not a hard concept to understand, your trouble comprehending that is as amusing as it is sad.

Good fight.

Slight edge to Bane.

where has AE been appearing of late? is original concept did seem to have him at around a thing-like level. is this ACTUALLY the same AE as appeared way back then? seems he vanished for years. an odd character to take out of mothballs.

Hasn’t been seen since Fear Itself

Damn edit function. Before that he beat up Cottonmouth and rather than send him to jail, AE forced him to work manual labor on the reservation, starting by burying the dogs he had killed.

I'd force Cottonmouth to eat dog feces...

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Oddly (but importantly), thats not the same Cheetah Bane is momentarily holding (before getting help from Ragdoll) in the scan supermutant posted:

The scan he posted just has Catman saying Cheetah can take a punch from WW. Thst doesn't prove she's class100.
Actually, the WW in your scan likely wasnt class100 either, going by the era. That was Perez WW, during the Byrne Superman era, and she wasnt near as strong as Supes back then.

To re-cap:
Stilt posts a scan of AE stalemating Ben Grimm in arm wrestling. supermutant responds with a badly worded post casting aspersions on Ben's strength level.
I post stats on Ben (and AE).
He comes back a bit irate, still trying to muddy the waters of the Stilt scan feat in regards to Ben's strength.

He's all over the place. He says things like, 'You are the only one who thought I was unclear' when there was literally no one else responding to him. He claims class100 status for one Cheetah based on Bane holding onto another.
He tries to make things personal because i dont take his version of things at face value.
Personally this has been fun af for me, though it -is- nice to have gotten a couple of posts from two of my favorite KMCers, too.

Here's the gist of it. Think i'm missing part of the beating:

damn good showing. love to see obscure characters get respect.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Full battle AE vs BE

https://imgur.com/a/yW0x2

I always considered that payback for what the T'bolts especially Bullseye did to Jack Flag. He crippled Jack and AE crippled him.

Much less impressive with the full context provided and non-cropped scans.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Again my post was only badly worded to one who lacks basic reading comprehension. I also like how its "casting aspersions" to basically ask for the context of a scan b/c scans especially posted on message boards are never misleading, right.

You thought your answer was cute or smart, when it actually revealed your lack of knowledge and basic understanding of comics. You can take any character that's been around awhile and see significant differences in their power level from when they started to current. Kingpin used to beatdown Daredevil and Spiderman at the same time, since that period either one has thrashed him consistently on their own. When Sabretooth started he didn't even have a healing factor, Iceman could only throw snowballs in the beginning, Sue could only turn invisible. Black Tarantula goes from beating down Spider-man to getting beat by Bullseye in jail.

Like any character lol who's been around gets upgraded or downgraded depending on the period and/or the individual story arc. This isn't some new concept, and I even tried to explain it with pictures for you.

Another trick you like to use is to claim someone else is getting emotional, when all they are doing like myself is showing how incredibly wrong you are. Asking for the correct context for a scan is like comics 101.

Duh other people read this thread too. You are the only one who is unclear that asking for the proper context does not equate to trying to lowball. Especially when looking at the early appearances of a character. So the only place I am on is on the side of basic knowledge of how comics work. The fact that cl 100 Minerva Cheetah can trade punches with WW puts her above Thing especially this old version of Thing which is all that really matters. Pre 52 Bane off of venom was able to temporarily restrain someone who is stronger and significantly faster than Thing. Again calling you out on your trolling is just that and nothing more.

And don't think I have forgotten lol

I'm still waiting on these speed feats that you have boasted about a couple of times in this thread. By the way who has AE beaten that is better than Bane?

Again I'll be eagerly awaiting for your proof.

Thing is, Modern AE was still strong af, as seen when he manhandled Gargan... and yeah, Gargan was a loser, but he was physically strong, as shown vs. Colossus.

So AE apparently remained at his classic strength level, for all we know. Just my two cents...

Originally posted by Sin I AM
damn good showing. love to see obscure characters get respect.

so it IS for sure the same character then? if so, it would seem he should be stronger than bane. speed and skill would be reasonably close. bane has some pretty good damage soak, not sure about ae. need more feats for him.

Afaik, yeah. Other AEs were either from WWII or different universe.

A recent bio would be nice, will look for it later.

^^^That would be nice. Cool.

Here it is:

https://tinyurl.com/yaq6ob9y

Source: The Heroic Age: Super Heroes.

Do notice that his adventure with the Thing is mentioned here.

As for the OTHER AE, he had no interactions with Ben Grimm:

http://www.comicbookdb.com/character.php?ID=26820

You can lick my feet now, leo. I'm waiting.

Aaaaaaaaahhh!!! 😆 Look at Bullseye getting his ass kicked. He got down right embarrassed. And he's supposed to be so skilled.