Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]You can't "Fight Crime". So like Drugs. We should just surrender to Gun Crime as well.That is the Preferred Leftist Mentality.
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Do you enjoy putting the exact opposite words into peoples mouths than what they actually say? Because it sounds like you derive an almost orgasmic level of pleasure from it.
Did you get a little chode in your knickers Fly? 😆
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Are you saying that what I SAID ISN'T Something Your Side of the Aisle tends to say rather frequently?And I find NOTHING about you to COME anywhere near "orgasmic".
I bet your carpets have plenty of stains thou.
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Are you saying I'm a leftist and not an individual? The problem with lumping everyone who isn't on your side into a group and label them is that you are always going to be wrong. Always. Assumption is the root of all incorrect decision making.
Aww, come on mate, you KNOW you wanna ride 😛
Actually no. I clean my home.
Originally posted by Blindside12
The left scoffs at Trump suggesting bonuses for teachers willing to be armed peace officers on campus.https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a8f0048e4b005bb0fef56dd
Leftists really hate anything that isn't their idea.
Seriously has Trump really thought this through or am I just being too much of a Leftist?
Y'know the last place on this planet that I'd expect to hear a gunshot would be in a school environment.
I know weird huh.
So how exactly do you expect a vast number of students & staff to differentiate between the "good teacher's" gunfire & the "mentally unbalanced's" shots?
Amidst the chaos which direction are they then meant to run or from?
More importantly would a black teacher get a little more on top of the bonus for carrying a concealed weapon?
Because y'know I'd hate to be that one black guy waving a firearm in a school when the cops come running in...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
YouTube video
"No other country on the planet has this."
Definitely false. I guess he doesn't know much about "shithole" countries, eh?
"18 school shootings"
False.
Other than that, good rant. Like his rants. 😄
I get the impression the main resistance to arming teachers is, teachers will be forced to carry and be duty-bound to confront the attacker. I don't think this is what is intended.
1. No teacher will/should be forced to carry (absolutely not). I would think this would be an option, and those teachers who volunteer will be the ones most motivated to make a difference. It is their choice.
2. I don't think it's meant for those teachers to then go after the shooter. That's a first responder's job. Armed teachers would be defensive: if the attacker tries to blast his way into a locked classroom, that's when the teacher can be ready to open fire, instead of s/he and students being sitting ducks.
Had, say, my school offered this option (ie, training + firearm), I would've taken up on it. The office in my main school is in the basement at the end of a corridor. There's only one other classroom down there, and all the windows are barred because it's in the basement. An attacker would just have to come down one staircase (right near the main entrance), turn left, and no one can leave those rooms or corridor. Sitting ducks.
Does it stink this state of affairs we find ourselves in, to consider arming teachers: hell yeah. But I would much rather be waiting for the attacker with a weapon in my hand than not.
Oh, and ban assault rifles. Banning isn't perfect, but it does help. It worked in the 1920s with tommy guns, and it works with modern weapons more powerful than assault rifles (eg, how come no one has attacked with RPGs?). But no one tactic will cover all instances. The other thing I would do is never show the attacker's face or name in the news (if they choose, show victims' families in private). Remove the "I'll be famous going out in a blaze of glory" incentive ... yeah, even if that means lower ratings for news show and unhappy sponsors.
Originally posted by Silent MasterHow did Bob Marley put it? The people who are trying to make this world worse are not taking a day off? Indeed, where there's a will there's a way. But a least I wouldn't have to face anything more than a handgun (I hope).
If you ban assault rifles, they'll just use a different weapon.
Originally posted by Silent MasterBut at least we'd be equally armed, no?
Handguns would actually be more dangerous in a school shooting situation. You can carry more ammo, reloading is faster and so is changing targets. They are also more maneuverable.
So are you saying, repeal the 2nd ammendment? Ideally, personally, I would love that. But I don't know if banning all weapons would be realistic or advantageous. I really just don't know.
Originally posted by Mindship
I get the impression the main resistance to arming teachers is, teachers will be forced to carry and be duty-bound to confront the attacker. I don't think this is what is intended.1. No teacher will/should be forced to carry (absolutely not). I would think this would be an option, and those teachers who volunteer will be the ones most motivated to make a difference. It is their choice.
2. I don't think it's meant for those teachers to then go after the shooter. That's a first responder's job. Armed teachers would be defensive: if the attacker tries to blast his way into a locked classroom, that's when the teacher can be ready to open fire, instead of s/he and students being sitting ducks.
Had, say, my school offered this option (ie, training + firearm), I would've taken up on it. The office in my main school is in the basement at the end of a corridor. There's only one other classroom down there, and all the windows are barred because it's in the basement. An attacker would just have to come down one staircase (right near the main entrance), turn left, and no one can leave those rooms or corridor. Sitting ducks.
Does it stink this state of affairs we find ourselves in, to consider arming teachers: hell yeah. But I would much rather be waiting for the attacker with a weapon in my hand than not.
Oh, and ban assault rifles. Banning isn't perfect, but it does help. It worked in the 1920s with tommy guns, and it works with modern weapons more powerful than assault rifles (eg, how come no one has attacked with RPGs?). But no one tactic will cover all instances. The other thing I would do is never show the attacker's face or name in the news (if they choose, show victims' families in private). Remove the "I'll be famous going out in a blaze of glory" incentive ... yeah, even if that means lower ratings for news show and unhappy sponsors.
About the Tommy Gun ban, did it work? I cannot find any evidence that the 1934 law actually worked. I find evidence that the gangsters just got smarter about things to stay out of the system and it created a more complex black market that expanded until our illegal gun running system that organized crime still participates in, to this day.
But, yes, they should pass national legislation that pasting a mass shooters or any "mass murderer's" face is illegal. But where the line is drawn, I don't know. School shooters? Yes. Terrorists? I dunno...maybe?
And I think arming teachers is dumb as ****. Stupid as hell. Bullshitty as bullshit. Stupid gun-lovers imagining teachers become John Preston from Equilibrium, using gun kata to save all the students. If police freeze, teachers will freeze much more readily. And they will shoot students in panic...some will, at least. Unless they go through regular training and have best practices that test them (such as when it is safe to fire their gun), I don't think they should have guns. And if they are not allowed to keep a gun in their classroom until they are "certified" and have to regularly certify each year. And the gun is locked down with biometrics so students cannot use it if they can get access to it. Sounds like a great way to make the gun security folks a lot of money...
I still think we need to tackle the mental health issue. That's the root cause of this bullshit.
Restricting guns? Nope. Won't work. Giving out more guns? Nope. Won't work. Making it illegal for the press to create infamy for the shooters? Now that's something that might work. Providing free access to healthcare which includes mental healthcare? That might work...it could get at least some of them AND it would help many who commit suicide which is a far far larger number of dead in a year than any of these mass shootings combined since forever (I think).
Originally posted by Mindship
But at least we'd be equally armed, no?So are you saying, repeal the 2nd ammendment? Ideally, personally, I would love that. But I don't know if banning all weapons would be realistic or advantageous. I really just don't know.
I'm saying that people should stop reacting with their emotions and start using their brains.
Originally posted by dadudemonI've never done any actual research on it; I heard it mentioned once a while back, read about it online, then heard it mentioned recently on the news. So admittedly, I'm going by hearsay than actual research. But at least no one's attacked with RPGs or other weapons > assault rifles.
About the Tommy Gun ban, did it work? I cannot find any evidence that the 1934 law actually worked. I find evidence that the gangsters just got smarter about things to stay out of the system and it created a more complex black market that expanded until our illegal gun running system that organized crime still participates in, to this day.
And for what it's worth, the very idea of bringing weapons into schools sickens me. But again, I'd rather be huddling, armed, than hoping an attacker chooses another staircase.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI fear you have taken residence on the wrong planet.
I'm saying that people should stop reacting with their emotions and start using their brains.
Originally posted by Mindship
I've never done any actual research on it; I heard it mentioned once a while back, read about it online, then heard it mentioned recently on the news. So admittedly, I'm going by hearsay than actual research. But at least no one's attacked with RPGs or other weapons > assault rifles.
Right, from the looking I did, I saw several news articles that can be summed up as "they banned Tommy Guns and it worked!" but no data, research, nothing. And seeing the homicides rates by year, it hit a small peak at the end of the 50s before exploding in the 70s.
Regardless...yeah...people shouldn't have things like Tommy Guns.