H/P Doomsday vs New 52 Superman

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Well technically, the Martian did in fact solo the JLA in the New 52. It was a little ridiculous, but it happened. MM is just that powerful, and the Silver Surfer is even more hax, which is why writers make it a plot point to have him be an even bigger pacifist than J'onn.

Could you show us where J'onn solo league in New 52? I really hope it's not a splash page of him fighting League.

If by hax you mean useless against most top tiers, sure.

Name one high end team Surfer has beaten cleanly. Or a top tier for that matter in past five years.

That's not true at all! Superman and Green Lantern have always been considered high tier to herald tier by just about everyone there, I don't know where you get that from. If anything, Marvel has the most scrutiny on CV, especially Thor.
Yeah, no comment

Is that why I am seeing a lot of threads on comicvine saying Odinson/Naruto/Random characters beat rebirth Superman because he has no feats?

Originally posted by XLR87T3
I made a mistake but it's too late to edit. The first quote was supposed to be "Well technically, the Martian did in fact solo the JLA in that one panel in New 52. It was a little ridiculous, but it happened, and I think that's just how the writers view how the fight would go down."

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8614/16446575932_7040cf12e2_o.jpg

Where is anyone even koed for it to be J'onn soloing League.

This is how someone solos someone.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111143779/4617371-p27_34.jpg

Does that looks like a guy who can solo Justice League?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Solo?

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8614/16446575932_7040cf12e2_o.jpg

Where is anyone even koed for it to be J'onn soloing League.

This is how someone solos someone.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111143779/4617371-p27_34.jpg

Does that looks like a guy who can solo Justice League?

And you don't need to KO someone immediately in order to solo a team. The JLA were clearly on the losing end, and J'onn had them on the ropes. Considering how he is usually portrayed as being the most powerful member of the JLA, even above Superman, it's not really a stretch of the imagination.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that why I am seeing a lot of threads on comicvine saying Odinson/Naruto/Random characters beat rebirth Superman because he has no feats?

Originally posted by XLR87T3
It looks like epic PIS! Come on, you know that. WTF was that writer smoking?!?

Yes, really. What was the writer smoking. Must be PIS. Nevermind the fact that J'onn got his ass kicked by every kryptoninan/daxamite he came across. Even noob Zod almost killed him. Who couldn't even fly.

And you don't need to KO someone immediately in order to solo a team. The JLA were clearly on the losing end, and J'onn had them on the ropes.

You clearly garnered that all from one panel? Where is JLA on ropes and losing?

Considering how he is usually portrayed as being the most powerful member of the JLA, even above Superman, it's not really a stretch of the imagination.

Is that so? Do you want me to post the times Superman is shown as more powerful than J'onn or outright rescuing J'onn like the damsel he is?

But I'm curious as to where are all these scenes of J'onn portrayed as more powerful than Superman are. Fire away mate.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Unfortunately, the problem with DC is that it fails at continuity and continues rebooting and retconning things, so Superman's actual power level at the time of engaging anyone at any specific time is completely subjective to the Writer. That is the main reason why people use versions for DC characters.

Still he needs to validate his feats or he is mid tier apparently.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Really, you think Nu DD is more powerful than Rebirth?

Superman went all out and couldn't even scratch Rebirth DD. Hell he hit him what 4000 times in the face and drew blood? I don't know man. Rebirth seemed pretty clearly on HP level if not above.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Rebirth Superman is explicitly the combined Superman from post crisis and new 52 Superman with both histories shown and referred. That's more than marvel characters who get retconned individually every time a new writer comes on board and where the whole universe was created anew after secret wars.

Still he needs to validate his feats or he is mid tier apparently.

You can pick up any All-New All-Different Marvel Universe title and you will see a ton of Pre-Secret Wars references and flashbacks.

Secret Wars isn't a reboot like COIE or Flashpoint. The characters are the same and retain their histories.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
This is false. Earth-616 = Prime Marvel Universe.

You can pick up any All-New All-Different Marvel Universe title and you will see a ton of Pre-Secret Wars references and flashbacks.

Secret Wars isn't a reboot like COIE or Flashpoint. The characters are the same and retain their histories.

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I thought that Superman was weakened due to New 52 Superman being a part of him? When they combined and became one again, he didnt become twice as strong, he became whole again.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
How powerful is OWAW & DD Wars Doomsday? Because in Hunter Prey, both Superman and Doomsday were extremely weak and pathetic, and Superman couldn't stop random missiles. It could just be the writer, because epic levels of PIS was filled in that story. DOS were weak too

Apokolips is far more advanced than Earth.
We all know that steel is tissue paper to Superman. Superman made it clear that the metal the missiles were made out of were too tough to punch through. That means they are far more durable than any Earthly metal.
Thus its not a low showing.
Darkseid vaporized each missile with less than half power.

Note: It takes more than trillions of times more power to vaporize (literally) something than to shatter it into pieces.

HP got hit with more than double the power than that the missiles got hit with. This is more than trillions of times more power than Superman's hv could do (or his punching power could achieve).

Hold up.

Doomsday wars DD looked better than HP DD?

I completely disagree with that.

Originally posted by Galan007
The clone who was gangraped by multiple Kryptonians? Impossible to say, as he was beat down almost immediately. However, he was still far stronger than any one(or two) Kryptonians. /shrug

Gog Wars DD *should* have been the most powerful version of DD ever, given that he had 100 years to evolve via continuous battle. On that note, he may have even been immune to BFR, otherwise the Gogs would have likely just dumped him in another dimension instead of getting ragdolled for a f*cking CENTURY... But then it took him "decadeS" to punch through a mile-thick wall of granite at the height of his power, so... ermm

Rebirth DD I have in the solid trans-tier, because his showings are indicative of such, imo.

Nu DD just came off like a rehash of the original to me. I'd probably have him no less than high-herald, possibly trans as well -- not entirely sure. It's also worth noting that even Mr. Oz felt him worthy of 'collecting'.

He's the version I'm least sure of, though.

Agree with everything. On Gog Wars DD, the decade thing was stupid. It would have made better sense to say it took him that long because he didn’t want Gog to detect his presence.

But I do feel DD though powerful became weaker due to having a conscience. Same thing happened with DD Rex. Superman even mentioned it, for the first time ever, he feels pain, he feels scared because he could now think.

None of the fts Galan mentioned puts Doomsday in the trans tier level.

Doomsday wrecks him.

Originally posted by carver9
None of the fts Galan mentioned puts Doomsday in the trans tier level.

Originally posted by carver9
I thought that Superman was weakened due to New 52 Superman being a part of him? When they combined and became one again, he didnt become twice as strong, he became whole again.

He didn’t become twice as strong either

Same character, just the history of both got merged.

Same superman as he always is.

@JL King...

It was outright said that Superman was weakened due to New 52 Superman.