is this a serious question? that group against marvel earth? wth? 😑
i like how it keeps coming to light that marvel characters have no answer for the force, but they seemingly have an answer to all of marvel's powers like tp/tk or magic. why can't someone just snap the neck of a sith? psionically cloak and hide from them? we always assume the force supersedes other powers. personally i don't see any reason at all to think the door only swings one way.
Originally posted by leonidas
is this a serious question? that group against marvel earth? wth? 😑i like how it keeps coming to light that marvel characters have no answer for the force, but they seemingly have an answer to all of marvel's powers like tp/tk or magic. why can't someone just snap the neck of a sith? psionically cloak and hide from them? we always assume the force supersedes other powers. personally i don't see any reason at all to think the door only swings one way.
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The Force may be zomfg awesome, but Force Users are ****dolls, having the shit beaten out of them by streets and getting anally raped by normal human Mindsets.
Originally posted by leonidasneck snapping doesn't matter when three members of the group are confirmed to be capable of transferring their spirits over to their enemies bodies, four can manipulate spirits, at least two can summon creatures to fight for them, one can create planet sized black holes, and all of them can mind rape the populace of Earth into fighting for them.
is this a serious question? that group against marvel earth? wth? 😑i like how it keeps coming to light that marvel characters have no answer for the force, but they seemingly have an answer to all of marvel's powers like tp/tk or magic. why can't someone just snap the neck of a sith? psionically cloak and hide from them? we always assume the force supersedes other powers. personally i don't see any reason at all to think the door only swings one way.
i assume they have to be alive to transfer their spirits...? doesn't matter because a few marvel earthers can manipulate/commend spirits, trap them or even kill them permanently. likely dozens of marvel earthers can summon creatures to fight for them. hell, illyana can just port all of them to limbo then a whole dimension can attack them. not sure how they defend against being teleported.... any of the sith have interdimensional teleportation? because if not, magik solos them. and they can all mindrape all of earth? lol? i'd need to see a few scans/proof of any of them mindraping....ANYONE with significant psi defenses let alone anyone in the neighbourhood of the higher order order marvel telepaths, before that intimation is given even the most minimal amounts of consideration. this force-user thing is getting outta hand.
Originally posted by deathslashPer OP, they start in NYC up against earth's 'greatest heroes'
neck snapping doesn't matter when three members of the group are confirmed to be capable of transferring their spirits over to their enemies bodies, four can manipulate spirits, at least two can summon creatures to fight for them, one can create planet sized black holes, and all of them can mind rape the populace of Earth into fighting for them.
Do you think their spirit manipulation trumps Strange and Wanda's?
Do you think their TP trumps the X-Men?
Do you think their creature summoning trumps.... you can see where I'm going with this.
And those are all serious questions. I've heard that Legends characters have some impressive telepathy? We could hash out whether or not they'd be able to mindrape Marvel Earth when up against Emma, Rachel, Quentin, Jean, Psylocke, Strange... etc.
EDIT: And all of that is just going power-for-power, not asking how the Sith are going to simultaneously deal with the likes of Thor, Spectrum, Blue Marvel, etc.
In a forum match, the Sith get stomped.
Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12that might be a bit of a stretch. Bane used essence transfer once and he died in the process and sidious has only did it to mindless clones of himself which didn't resist afaik. Yet now they're somehow going to be jumping bodies mid battle.ALSO...both sidious and bane can essence transfer, so they can just get new bodies
Originally posted by leonidasno, their bodies don't have to be alive to transfer over to another body. Sidious, Bane, and Kun have all used transfer essence without having a body. Sidious has also proven that he can manipulate souls as well.
i assume they have to be alive to transfer their spirits...? doesn't matter because a few marvel earthers can manipulate/commend spirits, trap them or even kill them permanently. likely dozens of marvel earthers can summon creatures to fight for them. hell, illyana can just port all of them to limbo then a whole dimension can attack them. not sure how they defend against being teleported.... any of the sith have interdimensional teleportation? because if not, magik solos them. and they can all mindrape all of earth? lol? i'd need to see a few scans/proof of any of them mindraping....ANYONE with significant psi defenses let alone anyone in the neighbourhood of the higher order order marvel telepaths, before that intimation is given even the most minimal amounts of consideration. this force-user thing is getting outta hand.
Sidious just recently showed that he has the ability to travel through dimensions. He just did it in SW Rebels when he almost managed to break into an interdimensional plane of existence that connected all of space and time. Even ignoring that, he can still fold space, slow time, etc.
Sidious mind raped a planet consisting of six billion people while simultaneously feeding off of their life force. Let me restate that: he mind controlled more than six billion people at the same time for years on end while also draining them of their life force.
Hey, don't blame me for listing their feats. I'm not saying that they win, but there are a lot of characters that they can kill, manipulate, dominate, or incapacitate.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85oh crap, I was off by a very large margin. He mind controlled a planet of about 20 billion people. He kept this up for decades btw.
Mind controlled six billion....Feats for these guys, please? Sentry has mind wiped six billion too. Some of those people were pretty powerful guys too (Emma, Prof X etc).
Can the Force users dominate? Sure. They can dominate streets and metas. Once they start getting to the heralds and above....
Years ago, Emperor Palpatine chose Byss as his private retreat, and Imperial architects and engineers were commissioned to build him an opulent palace. Several million humans were allowed to emigrate to the world, where the Emperor and his adepts used the dark side to feed off their life energies. The planet's population eventually reached almost 20 billion, and all outgoing communications were censored by security agents.
--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
What better lure for multitudes than Byss's siren call of beauty and peace? Once there, their wills are destroyed by the Emperor and his Adepts, and replaced with an illusion of tranquility as they blissfully surrender their life energy to sustain the Emperor.
--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook
Again, I'm not saying that they win, but they're more impressive than a lot of you are giving them credit for.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85read the second paragraph of my previous post. He fed off of their energy while placing them in an illusion of perfect tranquility. He did mind control them.
Wait so he fed off them, not mind controlling?Verrrry different.
Might as well post this too. Palpatine can instantly teleport himself or others (he's demonstrated the second part with Luke) and can indeed transfer his essence over to bodies that aren't clones.
The moment the Emperor "died" at the Battle of Endor, Droga fell into an inexplicable insanity, butchering his crew and causing the Emperor's Shadow to plunge into Kaal's oceans. Even as he perished, Palpatine used the dark side knowledge the Sith Lords had granted him years earlier to rend space itself and transmigrate his essence across lightyears to Droga's body. The infusion of Palpatine's overwhelming dark side energies reduced Droga to incoherent madness. Eventually, Palpatine's Grand Vizier Pestage was able to find Droga and tear the Emperor's essence from Droga's body.
--Taken from Gamer #5
How powerful his is ability to possess people? It took Brand, the omnipresent force itself, and every Jedi that had ever lived to hold him inside of Brands dying body.
His body mortally wounded by Han Solo, Palpatine tracked down the Solos and desperately sought to transfer his fading essence to the infant Anakin Solo. He was blocked and absorbed by the dying Jedi, Brand, who promised that he and all the other Jedi spirits would ensure the dark sider never returned—a fate Palpatine had feared above all others. The Emperor's reign was over for good.
--Taken from The Official Star Wars Fact File #120
Originally posted by Galan007I thought it was a dark side Nexus because of Palpatine? IIRC, Palpatine can also make a dark side Nexus.
Eh, Byss was also a dark side nexus -- arguably *the* most powerful dark side nexus in the entire galaxy, in fact.Feats preformed on nexus points are hardly indicative of what said character(s) can do in a standard/neutral environment, as they can amp powers tremendously.