Flash Vs Heralds yes/no

Morrison JLA Wally West (arguably Flash at the top of his game.)
All battles would be no prep, no BFR in the middle of the desert.
NOT A GAUNTLET.
Can Flash beat any/all of the following yes or no.

SILVER SURFER
NOVA
FIRELORD
TERRAX

Any of the Heralds shitstomps Wally.

Norrin should be able to negate most of the speed force's effects, have tricks of his own (He can freeze time), and have the raw speed.

Firelord and Terrax are kind of jobber heralds. Terrax lost to Space Knights, Firelord lost to Spidey.

Nova... wasn't she captured by Skrulls? Don't really know anything else about her.

Flash beats them all.

Yeah he would beat them, especially if he is going all out.

Can't think of a time Flash had consistent, good track records against Heralds. When he fights them, they usually brush off his attacks. KMC version of Flash clears this with all of them not even knowing what happened when they wake up. The real Flash that we see every week in comics dies immediately by anyone here.

Originally posted by carver9
Can't think of a time Flash had consistent, good track records against Heralds. When he fights them, they usually brush off his attacks. KMC version of Flash clears this with all of them not even knowing what happened when they wake up. The real Flash that we see every week in comics dies immediately by anyone here.

IOW, PIS 👆

This ain't a comic fight

Flash stomps all of them simultaneously before they can react

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
IOW, PIS 👆

This ain't a comic fight

Then don't post scans when debating a character.

Originally posted by carver9
Then don't post scans when debating a character.

Lol.

Can Flash shoot fire from his eyes? We use comics to prove what he can or cannot do.

When people argue for Flash, they use comics to show that he is indeed capable of it. How do we know he has the abilities to beat these guys? We have comics.

Flash never beat a Superman-like character. He has no chance against this team. Period.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Flash never beat a Superman-like character. He has no chance against this team. Period.

Originally posted by cdtm

Rofl.

Feats for Zum that put him at Herald-level, please. Not statements that "he is as powerful as Superman'.

I knew that you would post that feat.

Seriously your arguments, as a whole, are BAD.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

Can Flash shoot fire from his eyes? We use comics to prove what he can or cannot do.

When people argue for Flash, they use comics to show that he is indeed capable of it. How do we know he has the abilities to beat these guys? We have comics.

So you use comics to prove that he have speed while ignoring capabilities? With that said, Hulk can thunderclap and the near unlimited strength. With that said, i can just say Hulk can thunderclap the Universe to dust?

Originally posted by carver9
So you use comics to prove that he have speed while ignoring capabilities? With that said, Hulk can thunderclap and the near unlimited strength. With that said, i can just say Hulk can thunderclap the Universe to dust?

he has the potential for that

We do know Flash can steal speed though. We do know he can move several times faster than Light. We do know he is capable of doing IMP

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Hulk doesn't have unlimited strength

he has the potential for that

We do know Flash can steal speed though. We do know he can move several times faster than Light. We do know he is capable of doing IMP

All this.

Has Flash fought within a picosecond?

Yes.

Has he used the IMP WITHIN a nanosecond?

Yes.

Did he move so fast Pre Crisis heroes were unable to see him?

Yes.

Did he blow the Anti Monitor up so quickly, pre Crisis heroes thought he was spontaneously exploding? Yes.

Has he run through billions of possible outcomes within a nanosecond?

Yes.

Has Hulk thunderclapped?

Yes.

Has Hulk used unlimited strength to thunderclapped?

Ermmmm........

See the difference?

Flash wins high difficulty

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Hulk doesn't have unlimited strength

he has the potential for that

We do know Flash can steal speed though. We do know he can move several times faster than Light. We do know he is capable of doing IMP

He nearly over powered an Abstract that possess unlimited power. Let's just take it to Galaxy level thunderclap then. He possess the strength as shown on panel and he has shown that he can thunderclap.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All this.

Has Flash fought within a picosecond?

Yes.

Has he used the IMP WITHIN a nanosecond?

Yes.

Did he move so fast Pre Crisis heroes were unable to see him?

Yes.

Did he blow the Anti Monitor up so quickly, pre Crisis heroes thought he was spontaneously exploding? Yes.

Has he run through billions of possible outcomes within a nanosecond?

Yes.

Has Hulk thunderclapped?

Yes.

Has Hulk used unlimited strength to thunderclapped?

Ermmmm........

See the difference?

Surfer wraps adamantium around Superman skull and then proceed blasting him with red sun radiation for the 10/10 as soon as the bell ring.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer wraps adamantium around Superman skull and then proceed blasting him with red sun radiation for the 10/10 as soon as the bell ring.

So he has done all of this?

You have scans of him actually finding out an opponent's weakness and acting on it (and not just threatening; otherwise I can use Flash THREATENING to throw a thousand IMPs before a speedster can blink as proof)?

Scan of him wrapping adamantium around opponents' skulls?

I can show scans of Flash speedstealing from speedsters.

Flash throwing IMP within a picosecond, blitzing a speedster.

Running billions of scenarios within a nanosecond etc.

You, have to prove that Surfer can/has done what you say he can/will do.

Is Surfer more versatile? Of course. Yes, he is. 1000% agree.

But versatility doesn't mean anything when one guy is faster.