M Vs Grace Choi

Originally posted by Zack M
How good are her reflexes? And who has she beaten?

Similarly saves Banshee, but throws bullet back at the gunman.
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Flew from Budapest to Dubai in 5 minutes.

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The same flight from a different perspective put her around Mach 3.
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I can post others but just giving a general idea of where she is. Fight-wise, well, she's a bit like Grace. She's usually on lesser known teams, so she doesn't have many fights against the big names. She stalemated She-Hulk, which is about as close a comparison to Grace as we have.

Originally posted by Scarlet315
M edges out with superhuman speed, agility, reflexes, coordination, flight, telepathy, and telekinesis. There's also that genius level intellect. Monet 10/10

Originally posted by StyleTime
Monet isn't taking 10/10. Grace is a tank.

Don't see why not b/c so is M. With speed and flight advantages. Grace puts up a fight, but should lose every time to someone at least just as durable and similarly strong with the other advantages taken into account.

Because it's never gone that way vs similar opponents. She only got a stalemate vs She Hulk. Got choked out vs Amora in their first fight etc.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Because it's never gone that way vs similar opponents. She only got a stalemate vs She Hulk. Got choked out vs Amora in their first fight etc.

A stalemate against someone better than Grace and in She Hulk's book, when M didn't even want to fight initially. Also M had just rammed through a skyscraper at Mach 3 and started to fight an upgraded Deathstrike. Then Enchantress grab her from the back. Don't see how the later compares at all to an one on one forum fight.

Monet is too well rounded with impressive invulnerability, similar strength and superior speed/flight. Throw in telepathy for prediction and I'm not sure how she wins.

Originally posted by Supermutant
A stalemate against someone better than Grace and in She Hulk's book, when M didn't even want to fight initially. Also M had just rammed through a skyscraper at Mach 3 and started to fight an upgraded Deathstrike. Then Enchantress grab her from the back. Don't see how the later compares at all to an one on one forum fight.

She-Hulk is the same speed tier as Grace, and Monet fought like a brick. She's arrogant. It's literally part of her character. She relies on her strength and durability because she thinks she's better than everyone, even when it would benefit her to do otherwise.(i.e. Hulk). CIS is still on, and Monet will come down to brawl like usual.

She only puts the pedal to the metal when a teammate is in danger, which isn't the case here. She's full of herself, which is why she is fun to read.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Monet is too well rounded with impressive invulnerability, similar strength and superior speed/flight. Throw in telepathy for prediction and I'm not sure how she wins.

Wait, what did M do to Lady D?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wait, what did M do to Lady D?

nothing in that encounter b/c she got grabbed from behind my Enchantress.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Monet was fully committed once she started. This wasn't Captain Marvel vs Gamora, where Carol is trying to talk Gamora down. And Deathstrike's upgrades amounted to peanuts. The gap between she and Monet was about as large as it always is. Regardless, I brought the example up to show her speed amounts to very little real time. Enchantress would never grab her if she was were blitzing around at supersonic speed in fights.

This is a forum fight not a comic book where people with super speed don't use it so a battle can last 10 pages instead of 2 panels. Don't know the point you are trying to make b/c Monet completely stopped flying and moving before the Enchantress grabbed her.

Originally posted by StyleTime Originally posted by StyleTime
She-Hulk is the same speed tier as Grace, and Monet fought like a brick. She's arrogant. It's literally part of her character. She relies on her strength and durability because she thinks she's better than everyone, even when it would benefit her to do otherwise.(i.e. Hulk). CIS is still on, and Monet will come down to brawl like usual.

She only puts the pedal to the metal when a teammate is in danger, which isn't the case here. She's full of herself, which is why she is fun to read.

lol even in the fight you mention against She Hulk after being splash from a water hydrant, Monet went on too blitz her. Now in a forum she wouldn't stop so She Hulk could catch her breath and they stalemate , she will continue until she wins.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wait, what did M do to Lady D?

Originally posted by Supermutant
This is a forum fight not a comic book where people with super speed don't use it so a battle can last 10 pages instead of 2 panels. Don't know the point you are trying to make b/c Monet completely stopped flying and moving before the Enchantress grabbed her.

lol even in the fight you mention against She Hulk after being splash from a water hydrant, Monet went on too blitz her. Now in a forum she wouldn't stop so She Hulk could catch her breath and they stalemate , she will continue until she wins.

She never blitzed She Hulk.

Ah, thanks 👆

Originally posted by StyleTime
Dodged a sword strike while engaged with Amora.

This is a forum fight, so CIS is on. Monet stopped flying because she came down to brawl, like usual. She isn't Superman. She explicitly stated "I'll take them all out" so, true to her character, she came in to throw down.

She never blitzed She Hulk.

What was the outcome of the She-Hulk fight?

If Monet and Grace DO get into a brawl, then I'd say it's a damn near even split. Both have equal strength from what I have seen. Although Monet MIGHT be more durable, Grace has better healing. In terms of fighting ability, I'd also give Grace the sleight edge.

Speed won't mean much, because Grace is an Amazonian, and she has great speed herself (Although not on the level of M).

Originally posted by StyleTime
This is a forum fight, so CIS is on. Monet stopped flying because she came down to brawl, like usual. She isn't Superman. She explicitly stated "I'll take them all out" so, true to her character, she came in to throw down.

No actually "she came in" after blitzing Enchantress crashing her into the the floor. Her intention as explicitly stated by Rachael was to hit them at mach 3 with incredible force basically a speed blitz. But she didn't know exactly where they was. In this forum characters use their powers to the best of their abilities, unless the OP handicaps them in some way.

So the Enchantress was only able to recover and grab her, after Lady Deathstrike attacked her. Does Grace have someone running interference for her in this battle? Does Grace use magic? M even stated in the last scan that she has trouble with magic. So trying to use that encounter as evidence of how Grace could beat her is a mistake.

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But if your argument is Grace vs a handicapped M meaning no mental powers or flight, or speed, and just a slugfast. Then of course Grace will win her share.

Originally posted by Zack M
What was the outcome of the She-Hulk fight?

Originally posted by StyleTime
She never blitzed She Hulk.

From She-Hulk 31 (2005) everything started exactly like I said it did. If you notice on the 3rd scan M blitz Shulkie knocking her down. Then somehow the next time we see them, they are grappling each other in a contest of strength. Until Shulkie flips her over on a car, and immediately Strong Guy interferes. There is no reason why M couldn't repeat what she did in the 3 scan over and over in a forum until she got a victory.

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Originally posted by Supermutant
No actually "she came in" after blitzing Enchantress crashing her into the the floor. Her intention as explicitly stated by Rachael was to hit them at mach 3 with incredible force basically a speed blitz. But she didn't know exactly where they was.

She came down to brawl and got caught. We can't ignore it just because we'd prefer her to fight differently.

Originally posted by Supermutant

So the Enchantress was only able to recover and grab her, after Lady Deathstrike attacked her. Does Grace have someone running interference for her in this battle? Does Grace use magic? M even stated in the last scan that she has trouble with magic. So trying to use that encounter as evidence of how Grace could beat her is a mistake.

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Amora didn't use magic in that fight. I've already covered that with others in this thread. And the outcome of this fight is mostly irrelvant tbh.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=613285&highlight=Monet+vs+Amora+forumid%3A77

Originally posted by Supermutant
But if your argument is Grace vs a handicapped M meaning no mental powers or flight, or speed, and just a slugfast. Then of course Grace will win her share.

In this forum characters use their powers to the best of their abilities, unless the OP handicaps them in some way.

"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise."

The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them."

I mean, we've literally had Maddrox command her not to brawl, and use her telepathy, because brawling is so integral to her style. She ignored him of course, and got knocked into a portal, massively delaying their mission.

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She really does she's better than everyone else.
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You can get a mod ruling if you want. I'll happily change my answer if they think differently, but my argument is that Monet will fight like Monet, and not like us in Monet's body.

Originally posted by Supermutant
From She-Hulk 31 (2005) everything started exactly like I said it did. If you notice on the 3rd scan M blitz Shulkie knocking her down. Then somehow the next time we see them, they are grappling each other in a contest of strength. Until Shulkie flips her over on a car, and immediately Strong Guy interferes. There is no reason why M couldn't repeat what she did in the 3 scan over and over in a forum until she got a victory.

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