Originally posted by cdtm
"Speak English".If an American was visiting a foreign nation, and someone said "Speak Japanese!", or "This is France, learn the language!", would the left take issue with it?
Depends on the Politics of the Person. I am sure the Left would be Yeah Learn Their LANGUAGE You STUPID IDIOT! if it was the WRONG political side of it...
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Originally posted by cdtm
"Speak English".If an American was visiting a foreign nation, and someone said "Speak Japanese!", or "This is France, learn the language!", would the left take issue with it?
I don't think so. And, according to actual facts, the UK has a lower English literacy/speaking rate than the US but the official language is English in the UK.
In the worst eastern London accent possible:
"Bluh-ee awd, innit?"
Originally posted by dadudemonWhich facts? Because PISA says the opposite in terms of school kids DDM.
I don't think so. And, according to actual facts, the UK has a lower English literacy/speaking rate than the US but the official language is English in the UK.In the worst eastern London accent possible:
"Bluh-ee awd, innit?"
And this is the official dialect of London youth...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV0BB0CxIFk
Not proud of that.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Which facts? Because PISA says the opposite in terms of school kids DDM.
I try to stick with much larger numbers. If we go with 16-19 year olds, the OECD statistic has UK at the very bottom of the list where the UK is ranked 23 out of 23 of the top nations measured:
The US is not much better at 21 out of 23.
But it looks like the largest set I could found shows literacy at around the same rate at 272 out of 500 for both UK (England+Northern Ireland) and the US: ages 16-65.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=69
But why do they only test Northern Ireland+England in that study and not Scotland and Wales, too?
Well, that would bring their numbers down because Wales lags behind all other countries of the UK and so does Scotland:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38208738
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38207729
If the US can drop their bottom performing 25 states and only compare our top 25 to Northern Ireland and England, I'm sure the scores wouldn't be anywhere close to equal. It would be like the US getting to drop California and Texas (notorious for poor literacy) in a comparison.
The point is not country-dick measuring on literacy rates. The point is that the UK has lower literacy rates but it still has English as the official language but here in the US, it is considered racist to try and make English the official government language. And I just checked and I'm wrong. It is the de facto language, I am thinking of France.
Originally posted by dadudemonI know it's not a country dick measuring comp but if you look at PISA metadata over each 3-year cycle, what you're saying simply isn't true every PISA test pattern shows the same thing, that the US is below the UK. Although you are right about Wales and Scotland. For Science and Maths, the UK does considerably better, but that is only to be expected.
I try to stick with much larger numbers. If we go with 16-19 year olds, the OECD statistic has UK at the very bottom of the list where the UK is ranked 23 out of 23 of the top nations measured:The US is not much better at 21 out of 23.
But it looks like the largest set I could found shows literacy at around the same rate at 272 out of 500 for both UK (England+Northern Ireland) and the US: ages 16-65.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=69
But why do they only test Northern Ireland+England in that study and not Scotland and Wales, too?
Well, that would bring their numbers down because Wales lags behind all other countries of the UK and so does Scotland:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38208738
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38207729
If the US can drop their bottom performing 25 states and only compare our top 25 to Northern Ireland and England, I'm sure the scores wouldn't be anywhere close to equal. It would be like the US getting to drop California and Texas (notorious for poor literacy) in a comparison.
The point is not country-dick measuring on literacy rates. The point is that the UK has lower literacy rates but it still has English as the official language but here in the US, it is considered racist to try and make English the official government language. And I just checked and I'm wrong. It is the de facto language, I am thinking of France.
Originally posted by cdtm
"Speak English".If an American was visiting a foreign nation, and someone said "Speak Japanese!", or "This is France, learn the language!", would the left take issue with it?
Lol of course not.
Sort of like how I'm sure they'd be more understanding of a muslim opting out of doing a job for religious reasons than a Christian.