Mace Windu without Vaapad

How strong is he?

the same as Dooku without Makashi
or Anakin without Djem So

he ****ing doesnt exist, how do you strip a ****ing character of his fighting style, lightsaber form is the manner of fighting, style, attitude, tactics

kill self jmango

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Originally posted by JKBart
the same as Dooku without Makashi
or Anakin without Djem So

he ****ing doesnt exist, how do you strip a ****ing character of his fighting style, lightsaber form is the manner of fighting, style, attitude, tactics

kill self jmango

OK, specifically without drawing form sidious.

Let's assume he's fighting someone whom he can't siphon power from like a light sider, or a cyborg non force sensitive 🙂

Qui-Gon level.

He doesn't draw, I assume you mean, from Sidious. It's about turning his inner darkness, enjoying said fight, into light.

Another rephrasing of the question then.

Can Mace Windu, as of R of the S, replicate and sustain his Sidious performance against anyone or was their special circumstances in the fight.

It was a special circumstance. He's nowhere near that level in his other fights.

With the super-conducting loop he can basically take down anyone he wants as long as the concentration is unwavering.

Without it he only has himself to draw from, so I would put him on tier 8. More similar to S5 TCW Anakin than RotS Ani though, if I had to guess.

His fight with Sidious was an exceptional circumstance, yeah.

I hold him as Obi-Wan/Tyranus-tier (maybe even Plagueis-tier) in sabers without the amp.

And Labyrinth of Evil Anakin was as powerful as Yoda, so that speaks volumes for Tyranus.

I would've said Krayt-tier, but popular opinion is that he's even better in sabers than Plagueis.

8 bordering 9 according to Gillard

Why is this notion that Vaapad Force drains?

Originally posted by Geistalt
And Labyrinth of Evil Anakin was as powerful as Yoda,

Originally posted by JKBart
the same as Dooku without Makashi
or Anakin without Djem So

he ****ing doesnt exist, how do you strip a ****ing character of his fighting style, lightsaber form is the manner of fighting, style, attitude, tactics

kill self jmango

TCW Yoda level.

Being a Peer of TPM Yoda, with his growth, i'd say he would of reached that point.

This is Anakin Skywalker: The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest.

- Labyrinth of Evil

Clearly Anakin was as strong in the Force as any Jedi who had ever sat on the Council.

- Labyrinth of Evil

This is Anakin Skywalker: The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest.

That's not from Labyrinth of Evil. 😬

Yeah, the hell 😂