Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because The Outlander isn't hopelessly above those same protagonists that Revan was ragdolling.I know he's grown in power, but I don't see the jump from HoT to The Outlander being extremely high.
Going from being ragdolled by Arcann to resisting the same attack that ragdolls a more powerful Arcann indeed is quite the jump. But of course, it's best to know what you're talking about before talking.
After his epiphany inside the temple of Exar Kun, Kyp had emerged stronger, able to accept the challenge. If he could face this final test, Luke would know that Kyp had passed through the fire of his testing-tempered by forces as dire and powerful as those Luke himself had endured....
- Jedi Academy Volume 3: Champions of the Force
All of which is further enforced by I, Jedi.
Let's not forget that the relevance of authorial intent is subject to the times and the way other authors' intents (some of which will actually be put into canonical works) shapes the SW universe. The 90's sentiment about Kun being comparably powerful to Palpatine is as bygone as Avellone's short-lived efforts at hyping up the Ancient Sith. It's just not how the rest of the continuity wants it.
Exar Kun got the only other major Sith accolade besides Sheev in TCSWE. Not to mention that characters still sense his weakened spirit's power to a degree that they mention him in the same list as Vitiate's spirit and Revan's presence during SOR.
Nothing contradicts Kun being a top tier Sith, if that was such a glaring continuity issue then we would've seen such a problem arise upon the republishing of the material depicting him as such. Let alone newer sources, such as the Darth Plagueis novel, still holding up Kun as very much a benchmark of Sith power.
There's nothing bygone about it, as if canon worked that way in the first place.
I don't really care, his abilities to destroy citadel station and rip fleets out of gravity wells is massively impressive.
It's not incompatible when he's still considered incredibly dangerous by SWTOR. Besides the fact we have Kreia literally saying it herself in the game, all we need Avellone to do from there is assert the accuracy of her claims beyond that point.
Originally posted by AncientPowerHe said her claims were accurate before, but thats done nothing for other Ancients such as Hord, Sadow, and Ragnos.
I don't really care, his abilities to destroy citadel station and rip fleets out of gravity wells is massively impressive.It's not incompatible when he's still considered incredibly dangerous by SWTOR. Besides the fact we have Kreia literally saying it herself in the game, all we need Avellone to do from there is assert the accuracy of her claims beyond that point.
Originally posted by ILS
The same Jman who says things only he believes?The very same.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Are we serious?The same Ulic that was on par with Exar Kun?
The same Exar Kun that can rival Revan to an extent?
The same Revan who would legit ragdoll Arcann and could take both him and The Outlander at once?
Knights of Zakuul are more competent than Jedi (and Sith) on average because they do not restrict themselves to any dogma when it comes to understanding of the ways of the Force.
Now; Force-users significantly vary in capabilities at personal capacity so the best of Jedi (and Sith) are/were better than scores of Knights of Zakuul. However, general impression is that even the strongest Jedi (and Sith) stood no chance against the top-guns of Zakuul in an encounter and had to flee or risk persecution when their paths crossed.
Top-guns of Zakuul include Heskal, Senya, Thexan, Arcann, Vaylin and Valkorion. There are others but not important story-wise. However, Valkorion pinned them against each other through his machinations.
Knights of Zakuul brought both the Republic and Sith Empire to their knees in a major war, with Thexan and Arcann at the forefront of the effort. However, Arcann murdered Thexan in a fit of rage and set his sights on the throne.
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As for your outlandish claim in regards to Revan:-
But the immortal Emperor could not be vanquished so easily. He evaded death by infiltrating the mind of the Outlander, his most powerful opponent. (KoTET)
That is substantial hype, and not era-restricted. Even if you argue that Revan was relatively superior, so was Arcann.
Valkorion subjected both Revan (Reborn) and Arcann to his Force Lightning Storm on two separate occasions; difference is that Arcann did a better job at resisting such power than Revan (Reborn) - direct comparison.
But;
"You were an exemplary pawn, one I forged into a vessel of supreme power--worthy of preserving my spirit." (Valkorion - endgame)
Valkorion enhanced the powers of the Outlander to a significant degree during the course of KoTFE and KoTET. The Outlander stood no chance against Arcann (and Vaylin) in a fight originally but was able to defeat them later on [1 on 1].
My assessment:
Valkorion > Vaylin = The Outlander > Arcann = Revan