Well your initial argument was that Nova was too fast.
But it's not Nova Prime here (or it might be, tbh; I can't speak for OP).
The others aren't as fast or faster. Certainly not when she's got it on Darkseid (who has superspeed), Flash and Cheetah. And that's ignoring if we don't have pre 5w feats (which I'm never sure about, with all the reboots and whatnot)
She wouldn't be able to catch any on the team. They would either catch the lasso or avoid it. And that is if they don't just shield themselves from the lasso first. Gladiator would obliterate her h2h.
My original statement isn't gonna change, because that is literally how it is.
Wonder Woman can't do much to any of this team. Would write more about it, but on phone so do not feel like doing it atm. Later I will go in to it. Heck, if Superman can't beat half of these guya, WW can't either.
Ronan should be a nice warm-up round for WW. Not much that he can do to her, and he'd never tag her in the first place.
Wonder Woman's more than fast enough to keep up with Nova Prime. She's also a much better fighter, and typically more effective, but he's way more versatile. Nova has the tools to take her out, but I'd take Diana 8-9/10 still.
Similar with Quasar, but a tougher match for Diana. Still, I think she struggles with him but likely gets by.
Given the previous matches, even with 10 min rest, she probably stops at Bill.
Sooo, exactly what Sin said. 👆
Originally posted by Byond
If Nova doean't have World Mind and full power of the Nova Corps (full nova force) he loses. But I was assuming it was the ones in the picture the op provided. But rest of them wins, with low diff.
Right, let's see about that.
Four of them doesn't have to fight close quarters (Surfer, BRB, Ronan, Quasar). Even if it would come down to that, two of the four would beat her (Surfer and BRB).
Will they now?
Ronan beat her due to his universal weapon.
Beta Ray Bill would beat her due to the fact he is not only exponentially stronger and more durable. But also he has stormbreaker which would counter everything WW can do.
Diana would chop him into pieces if you're going by just power sets.
Surfer would win because he is the Silver Surfer.
Quasar would win because the Quantum Bands.
I like how these are supposed to be self explanatory.
Nova (assuming it's the one in the picture) is more powerful than her.
Gladiator would outfight her due to superior strenght and durability.
Proof of this?
Originally posted by Byond
She wouldn't be able to catch any on the team. They would either catch the lasso or avoid it. And that is if they don't just shield themselves from the lasso first. Gladiator would obliterate her h2h.My original statement isn't gonna change, because that is literally how it is.
Wonder Woman can't do much to any of this team. Would write more about it, but on phone so do not feel like doing it atm. Later I will go in to it. Heck, if Superman can't beat half of these guya, WW can't either.
Especially Surfer.
Wonder Woman's strength isn't on planetary level. She has no strength to say she is even close to the heavy hitters. She would at max come in to 1/3rd of the weight of the earth, and that is lifting strength. Her punches would not hurt BRB and Surfer and Gladiator.
Surfer would obliterate Diana in a few seconds. His cosmic awareness would give him the ability to know her strength's and weaknesses (though would not be needed). His durability is enough to tank anything Diana throws at him, considering that he isn't getting hurt by World War Hulk while weakened, and fight evenly against Thor, who hit's harder than Superman and Diana. Then he has matter and energy manipulation, forcefield's, energy projection, can increase his physical stats and more.
Beta Ray Bill rips out core of stars, destroy planets with a punch. Stormbreaker gives him the ability to control the weather, manipulate matter and energy. It gives him the ability to go intangible and become invisible. It gives him energy projection. He is durable enough to take planet busting hits without a scratch (except for his suit getting torn).
Quasar would lose if they had a slug fest. They won't. The quantum bands would give Quasar the win. His constructs is not only more potent than a green lantern's, but his force fields are nearly indestructible. It took people on Thanos level to destroy them, and planet busting attacks have failed to breach them.
Ronan's weapon is what would give him the win. It has matter and energy manipulation on par with Stormbreaker. His forcefields are strong enough to tank hit's from planet busters. He is a much smarter fighter than Diana, and would never try to fight her h2h. His weapon can do more than enough damage to Diana while the only way Diana is winning is if Ronan decides to fight her h2h.
Gladiator would win simply because he is durable enough to tank her hits and strong enough to KO her.
Nova would win only if he has world mind and the full nova force. If not, he loses. With it, he would be too fast and World Mind would already have a way for him to finish her off before she can think of what to do.
As for why Surfer would beat Superman:
Superman would need to power up for him to even be able to come close to physically hurt Surfer. He would be below planet busting on a normal day, and power up to even come close to that. While he do that, Surfer would have already figured out what he needs to do to beat Superman.
Superman have always been portrayed as a guy that had the potential to greatness but isn't there on a regular day.
Why do people lowball the Marvel heroes that would beat the high-end heroes of DC.. that has always confused me. There is nothing that indicates that Wonder Woman would stand a chance against any of the Annihilators if they actually fought to the best of their abilities, which they are portrayed to do. Ronan would beat Superman if they fought in-character due to his universal weapon.
He has not used it aside from finding out their weaknesses. Can't think of any instance where he used it, but then again, I said he wouldn't use it because it would be pointless to use it since she wouldn't be able to do anything to him. I do know that he has used it to find out strength's and weaknesses of others before, but not in the middle of a fight.
He is still much more powerful than Diana, so that power would not be needed at all. He can literally just punch her and she goes down.
Yeah but....her durability isn't anything to sniff at either.
Plus, whilst he has taken punches from a weakened Hulk (carver9 has the scans; ask him) that's different from taking stabs and slashes from swords that can split atoms WHILST backed up by her strength and skill.
She's also used her lasso on speedy foes before. I named Flash, Zoom and Cheetah, the height of speed in DC (and let's get real, Flash's speed feats Trump Surfer's if we wish to go that route).
Yet, you keep saying she won't get the chance to use it. Why?
Darkseid took punches from pissed off Superman etc. His durability is pretty high. WW stabbed him pretty well.
But your confession that you can't think of any time Surfer has used his power is essentially the root of all 'lowballing' as you put it.
Simply put, sure Surfer COULD do it. But he hasn't done it in his appearances stretching back to the 60s, lol.
While DC heroes does have several heroes that have the potential to get to Marvel strength levels. When they start out at their "base" levels (the strength and durability that we see in most comics with the heroes), they are weaker than the Marvel heroes. They have the potential to grow stronger than most Marvel heroes though.
For example, Thor hit's harder than Superman and Wonder Woman. But Superman have the potential to grow beyond Thor. Thor is more durable than Superman, but Superman have the potential to get more durable. There is a difference in how the 2 universes portray their heroes that makes it all the more fun to read from both Marvel and DC. Both have good stories, both have bad stories. But Marvel's heroes are portrayed stronger, without growing in strength (aside from a few people like Hulk and Silver Surfer), while many of DC's heroes have less base strength but have the potential for more.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah but....her durability isn't anything to sniff at either.Plus, whilst he has taken punches from a weakened Hulk (carver9 has the scans; ask him) that's different from taking stabs and slashes from swords that can split atoms WHILST backed up by her strength and skill.
She's also used her lasso on speedy foes before. I named Flash, Zoom and Cheetah, the height of speed in DC (and let's get real, Flash's speed feats Trump Surfer's if we wish to go that route).
Yet, you keep saying she won't get the chance to use it. Why?
Darkseid took punches from pissed off Superman etc. His durability is pretty high. WW stabbed him pretty well.
But your confession that you can't think of any time Surfer has used his power is essentially the root of all 'lowballing' as you put it.
Simply put, sure Surfer COULD do it. But he hasn't done it in his appearances stretching back to the 60s, lol.
The fact that you think that her sword would have any affect on the energy manipulators and their shields are amusing. Also, Surfer wouldn't really be affected by her sword as he can control the molecules in his body and shape shift to basically anything he wants.
Zoom isn't really that fast compared to Flash and Surfer, it's his ability to manipulate time that makes him dangerous. He is fast, but pure speed, Flash is faster.
Flash utilizing his speed to the best of his ability would be boring to read in a fight. He would one-shot Wonder Woman if he decided to go all-out on her. Superman looks like a statue to him, and Diana is slower than Superman. Cheetah is fast, but nothing that the people on this list would have any trouble with. Heck, most of these characters would beat Flash if Flash was in-character because he never utilize his speed all that well in fights. Because you know, he don't want to kill his enemies and all that shit.
EDIT: World War Hulk couldn't beat a weakened Surfer.
Darkseid is almost as poorly written as Galactus is. Her sword would be useless if she can't reach her enemies.
Surfer would not need cosmic awareness to beat her if she has no way to hurt him.
I have read Surfer comics where he has used it several times.
And didn't I concede the point that he has not used it to the best of my knowledge in the middle of a fight. Man you are slow. Also the fact that just because I can't think of an instance doesn't change the outcome of the fight. AT ALL.
He has way too many hax abilities to go down to her.
Originally posted by Smurph
Ronan should be a nice warm-up round for WW. Not much that he can do to her, and he'd never tag her in the first place.Wonder Woman's more than fast enough to keep up with Nova Prime. She's also a much better fighter, and typically more effective, but he's way more versatile. Nova has the tools to take her out, but I'd take Diana 8-9/10 still.
Similar with Quasar, but a tougher match for Diana. Still, I think she struggles with him but likely gets by.
Given the previous matches, even with 10 min rest, she probably stops at Bill.
Sooo, exactly what Sin said. 👆
Originally posted by Byond
I have read Surfer comics where he has used it several times.And didn't I concede the point that he has not used it to the best of my knowledge in the middle of a fight. Man you are slow. Also the fact that just because I can't think of an instance doesn't change the outcome of the fight. AT ALL.
He has way too many hax abilities to go down to her.
I am indeed incredibly slow.
I'll wait for you to think of one. You've read them, am sure that in the....nearly 50 years of Surfer appearances, there will be at least one instance of him actually using his cosmic awareness in battle and actually acting on it (and not just threatening, like with Gladiator).
Take your time. I'm not going anywhere. Take all the time you need.