Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure, but we really didn't hear anything on the matter in 2012. Buy hey, you tried.
We didn't hear what we needed to hear on the matter from Obama during the 2016 election either. This doesn't mean they didn't know what Russia was up to, or the games they have been playing for literally decades.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I honestly don’t care too much that Trump is congratulating Putin, that’s like the 80th worst thing he’s done this week.What’s bothersome is that you and others with the same take are ignoring why people might be criticizing such an action now when they didn’t back in 2012 or whenever obama did it. Our relationship with Russia has changed and our relationship with the Putin regime has changed.
Here I’ll give you an example. If someone publically harasses your girlfriend, you’re expected to defend her right? If instead of defending her, you stay neutral and then are friendly towards the harasser, you can bet that you’ll receive criticism or perhaps a dumping.
Okay, thanks.
Would you say I forced a False Equivalence on this?
Or, in another perspective, would you say that I used a strawman on the position and people like you would condemn Obama and Trump for their 2012 and 2016 congratulatory messages to Putin?
Originally posted by dadudemonIt's certainly a false equivalence to me. If I were to criticize Obama in 2012, it would have to be for entirely different reasons than criticizing Trump in 2018. Despite their actions being the same, the circumstances have changed radically.
Okay, thanks.Would you say I forced a False Equivalence on this?
Or, in another perspective, would you say that I used a strawman on the position and people like you would condemn Obama and Trump for their 2012 and 2016 congratulatory messages to Putin?
Originally posted by Firefly218
It's certainly a false equivalence to me. If I were to criticize Obama in 2012, it would have to be for entirely different reasons than criticizing Trump in 2018. Despite their actions being the same, the circumstances have changed radically.
Okay, that's fair.
I meant to type 2018, by the way. But I think you understood. 👆
So, anyway, it looks like we agree on both points.
See, no need to argue. 😄 WEEEEE!
Originally posted by dadudemonThat's certainly an opinion. And btw Trump did so despite warnings from multiple national security advisers and briefing materials that said "DO NOT CONGRATULATE"
Yes, 100% agreed.It was OK for Obama and it definitely is still OK for Trump.
It seems there was some political turmoil brewing over Russian attacks on British soil.
Originally posted by Blindside12
Did you call Obama an ******* when Obama congratulated Putin on his sham election?
No no you don't get it. Putin wasn't a bad guy at the time. He became one on November 9th 2016.
The election he won with Obama in office? He won that one 100% by the book.
And at the time, Obama had not heard a single rumor about Russia or Putin doing anything super shady.
On Wednesday, the Washington Post reported that Trump’s national security advisers had presented him with written briefing materials in capitals saying “DO NOT CONGRATULATE”, the paper said citing officials.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/21/trump-putin-congratulations-election-warning-security-briefing
What a f*cking idiot. 😂