Cell VS Broly

Everyone was weakened except Goku, Broly and Cell. Hell Gohan was half powered and couldn't use an arm and he overpowered someone more than twice his power. I'm just saying Goku could help close that weakness, especially when all 3 are unleashing their limits. Gohan should still have the potential, a pissed of Goku protecting his family definitely gets a raise, and Goten is useless but gets something.

Which is why I'm saying that even if Gohan from half power got up to a 3 times boost which would put his power above Cell's by a lot, they should be able to match that even without factoring in limit breakers. Cell's own power also got blasted back into him as well which would help disintegrate him. All Gohan really has to be is a decent degree above Cell and all that power including Cell's own power should do the rest.

It becomes messier than it should assuming blast levels. Which is why it'd be more reasonable to look at the context of what happened between the beam struggles as opposed to assuming one is way above the other. I personally think the family one is above the father son, you think the opposite. Not getting anywhere.

If you assume the blasts to be of equal power, do Broly or Cell come off looking better in this case? That was my original point or where I was going.

It's still hard for me to take Dabura as seriously anymore (in comparison to Cell) when future Trunks solo'd him in his timeline and he wasn't even shown as SSJ2 at that point yet, although I guess that Dabura could've been weaker in that time like 17 and 18 were for all we know. /shrug Still, it kinda strengthens the notion for me that if Gohan still had all his fighting senses at the time, he would've stomped Dabura, even whilst being weaker than his Cell Games era self.

With Cell and Broly, there's never really been a majority consensus, which is kinda why the topic has been around as long as it has. While Broly's power continuously grows, Cell could also zenkai his way to victory, so I guess it depends on who you think has the higher ceiling cap/limit.

Not to be an ass but htf does father/son kamehameha from a half dead 1 armed Gohan even compare to Ssj3 power?

Originally posted by Galan007
It's okay. Carver has ignored the facts I listed above numerous times. May as well add you to the same list. 👆

Suffice to say: Broly didn't destroy "most of a galaxy", but you don't care about facts so I'll save my breath. 👆 x2

😆 agree to disagree...i think we had this debate years ago lol i dont care enough anymore

I do still think Cell probably wins off smarts if nothing else

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
It's still hard for me to take Dabura as seriously anymore (in comparison to Cell) when future Trunks solo'd him in his timeline and he wasn't even shown as SSJ2 at that point yet, although I guess that Dabura could've been weaker in that time like 17 and 18 were for all we know. /shrug Still, it kinda strengthens the notion for me that if Gohan still had all his fighting senses at the time, he would've stomped Dabura, even whilst being weaker than his Cell Games era self.

With Cell and Broly, there's never really been a majority consensus, which is kinda why the topic has been around as long as it has. While Broly's power continuously grows, Cell could also zenkai his way to victory, so I guess it depends on who you think has the higher ceiling cap/limit.

In the Manga he for sure beat him as SS2 after training on Supreme Kai's world with the Z Sword

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Pretty sure Trunks only beat Dabura because he learned SS2. They just animated his hair like shit.

In the Manga he for sure beat him as SS2 after training on Supreme Kai's world with the Z Sword

That's pretty much what Trunks did before facing Dabura in his timeline; trained with the Z-sword under Supreme Kai, but yeah, Z-sword Gohan would've beaten Dabura as well.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
If you assume the blasts to be of equal power, do Broly or Cell come off looking better in this case? That was my original point or where I was going.

Though I do feel confident that SPC could survive, regenerate, and possibly zenkai, even IF Broly managed to overpower his beam slightly. /shrug

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
so I guess it depends on who you think has the higher ceiling cap/limit.

Originally posted by Estacado
Not to be an ass but htf does father/son kamehameha from a half dead 1 armed Gohan even compare to Ssj3 power?

Anywho, Gohan literally coined the phrase "surpassing your limits". Not sure why you'd be surprised by him digging deep like that..?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Just given the savage beating he laid down on Gohan who was > perfect cell slightly, I cant see Cell having grown so much stronger than he'd beat Broly.

Goku beat him via an amp off a group of exhausted SSJ's.

We saw what exhaustion could do to JIREN. I doubt Goku was anywhere near limit breaker Gohan.

Man idk what this argument is about really. Broly wins and easily too. His power is maximum! That's canon. Galan is just trying to wank Cell but we all know a galaxy buster is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an alleged solar system buster. Hashtagfacts b!tch

But seriously Cell wins. Even if you assume they are even in power, or that Broly can slightly edge Cell in power, Cell is WAY smarter and has a variety of abilities at his disposal. Can you say solar flare + SBC or D Disc? Endgame. Not to mention the regen. I like Broly better but Cell is a mother f*cker

Originally posted by juggerman
Man idk what this argument is about really. Broly wins and easily too. His power is maximum! That's canon. Galan is just trying to wank Cell but we all know a galaxy buster is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an alleged solar system buster. Hashtagfacts b!tch

But seriously Cell wins. Even if you assume they are even in power, or that Broly can slightly edge Cell in power, Cell is WAY smarter and has a variety of abilities at his disposal. Can you say solar flare + SBC or D Disc? Endgame. Not to mention the regen. I like Broly better but Cell is a mother f*cker

Again, Goku found his limit.

Even if he does keep growing in power, that assumes no limits.

Goku had plot helping him though.....

Cell wont have the luxury of getting energy from 4 other people....neither does he grow in power while fighting as he was drained after taking FPSSJ kamehameha to the face and had to eat senzu to recover...

^ SPC doesn't need extra energy to win. That's the difference.

Also, the next time Cell was blown to smithereens(ie. when he kamikaze'd) he came back with a HUGE powerup. If we're playing the no-limits fallacy game, then the WORST thing Broly could do here is injure Cell.

Originally posted by juggerman
But seriously Cell wins. Even if you assume they are even in power, or that Broly can slightly edge Cell in power, Cell is WAY smarter and has a variety of abilities at his disposal. Can you say solar flare + SBC or D Disc? Endgame. Not to mention the regen. I like Broly better but Cell is a mother f*cker

And multi-Kienzans.

Let's see that slow arsed tank dodge one of those.

Originally posted by Estacado
Even if they are even in power Broly will keep getting stronger as the fight goes on....

Not how it works though.....

Originally posted by Galan007
He's got IT as well. 🙂

I call hax!

Originally posted by Galan007
Okay, cool. Didn't see that stip. 👆

Daizenshuu 6 says that Broly is more powerful in Movie 10 than he was in Movie 8. How much more powerful is the real question.

All we know is that Boo-era SSJ2 Gohan(I'm assuming he was SSJ2 because there'd be no reason to hold back) was able to put up a minimal fight against M10 Broly, but was ultimately trounced. However, Boo-era Gohan was stated to be "a LOT" weaker than Cell-era Gohan, so he's not a good measuring stick at all.

The only other information to consider is the final beam-struggle: a weakened SSJ2(presumably) Gohan + SSJ Goku + SSJ Goten seem to be getting overpowered by Broly's beam... Then kid Trunks pulls some wacky "power of hope" shit from the sidelines that I still don't understand to this day... Then the aforementioned three completely overwhelm Broly's beam, and kill him again.

...But tbh, I could easily see SPC giving those three just as much of an issue with his final Kamehameha(if not overpowering them entirely), so again: probably not the best measuring stick.

That said, I'd probably still be inclined to side with Cell, as I believe he was generally intended to be > SSJ2 Gohan(barring Gohan's final 'dig deep' moment, of course.) And that's a level I just can't put Broly on if we look solely at his showings.

Maybe I'm missing something, though..? srug

Goku was SSJ2 during that beam struggle.

Movie 10 Broly >>> Super Perfect Cell

😂

Why in god's green earth would you ever assume he was SSJ2 against Broly?

This is how SSJ2 Goku was actually portrayed in the anime:

*Note the presence of sparks/lightning, along with very defined/spikey hair. Clearly SSJ2.

This is how Goku was portrayed in M10:

*Note the lack of sparks/lightning, and much less defined/spikey hair. Clearly SSJ1.

The last little push had his hair go up. That's probably what he was talking about.

Also SS2 is easily the best looking transformation. At least in Goku anyway.

You mean when Goku's hair was blowing all over the place from the energies colliding and whatnot? Christ I hope not, because that'd be one hell of an asspull... Even for him.

I've never seen anyone else on the interweb dig THAT deep for Broly, tbh.

srug