Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Clear.
Care to explain the (unfounded) hype for these two.
Feats that put Krayt in the top tier league : Nil.
Feats that (maybe) put Novel Vitiate in the top tier : killing a dark council of unknowns. Defeating Revan. Neither of these a refutation to how Plagueis or Tenebrous will dispose of him.
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0I don’t think they can beat 5.
Why can they not make it to boss?
Originally posted by TrocityOh, I must have missed the part in the OP where it says Sidious isn’t going all out here and the fight isn’t taking place on neutral ground, since you’re comparing this fight to an instance where Sidious plays with sabers against an amped Luke and refrains from using his force powers.
Why is that lolworthy? DE Sidious got his hand chopped off by a decades pre-prime Luke Skywalker, lmao.
Originally posted by JMANGO
Care to explain the(unfounded)hype for these two.
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Originally posted by JMANGO
Feats that put Krayt in the top tier league :Nil.
His feats in Apocalypse showing a degree of parity with Luke, with his Reborn incarnation being even stronger due to not having Vong coral seeds eating at him at all times, His body being completely rejuvenated, attaining a greater mastery of the force than ever, and overcoming death. You can even do a bit of loose Darish Vol scaling here, with Reborn Krayt >/>> Apocalypse Krayt > Darish Vol ~ much the power of FOTJ Luke. As for actual feats, besides those performed against Abeloth, Reborn Krayt is casually inducing force visions to every dark-sider in the galaxy signalling his return, dominating Wyyrlok III, Cade Skywalker, etc. There's also some pretty massive lines of scaling you can draw from Krayt's contemporaries, like the satellite dish feat, along with rookie Cade's feats. Point being, he's the strongest player on this team. ILS's blog will elaborate on these notions.
Originally posted by JMANGO
Feats that (maybe) put Novel Vitiate in the top tier : killing a dark council of unknowns. Defeating Revan. Neither of these a refutation to how Plagueis or Tenebrous will dispose of him.
I mean, I guess given the consideration you gave Krayt based on a (perceived) lack of feats, I'm forced to ask what makes you put Tenebrous so far above Revan.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
His feats in Apocalypse showing a degree of parity with Luke
Not top tier. They show precisely zero parity to Luke.
As for actual feats, besides those performed against Abeloth, Reborn Krayt is casually inducing force visions to every dark-sider in the galaxy signalling his return
Not top tier. Sending intangible information across the Galaxy is nothing groundbreaking. Worse, he did this on Korriban, a nexus known to passively strengthen sith. Worse still, if Darth Stryfe is anything to go by, then Krayt's one sith can sense his presence with or without him prompting them, like radio sets finely tuned in to a specific frequency :
After that... there are a few dark siders whom also felt his presence : Cade and Draco. That's real nice. But it's just nice. Maul has been felt across the Galaxy during a time where Jedi sensory capabilities were "clouded" by a massive dark side aura. Unlike Krayt, he didn't have the luxury of Korriban either.
dominating Wyyrlok III
He cheap shotted Wyrrok much in the same way Cade defeated him. Wyyrlok being pretty unimpressive himself. The equivalent of defeating Venamis. Not a top tier showing.
Cade Skywalker
His performance against this foe in particular, is a direct contention to his top tier status. His failure to subdue Cade with with any other ability than DT can also be used to throw out the loose scaling regarding Darish Vol (all though i doubt it had any basis in the first instance). Cade being a several generations diluted punk Skywalker. Who spent a 7(?) year hiatus regressing his teachings. Granted, he's a prodigy in a time where K'kruhk is grandmaster , but he doesn't have near parity to Luke and neither does Krayt.
There's also some pretty massive lines of scaling you can draw from Krayt's contemporaries, like the satellite dish feat
This is not top tier. Even if Krayt is a thousand times better than two force users, spending the entirety of their concentration collapsing this satellite dish, he's still comes up short of being responsible for a planet wide ice age, pre prime.
along with rookie Cade's feats.
Not top tier.
Point being, he's the strongest player on this team. ILS's blog will elaborate on these notions.
I'm not going to read it.
I mean, I guess given the consideration you gave Krayt based on a (perceived) lack of feats, I'm forced to ask what makes you put Tenebrous so far above Revan.
Krayt doesn't lack feats. He lacks feats putting him on the top tier. In fact, he lacks feats putting him on top of the tier below that as well. He's a sold tier 8. As for Novel! Revan, i give Teneb the victory because of banite scaling, and because of possible reverse scaling regarding Plagueis (before the unbalancing) Freezing Naboo. This should be enough to stone wall Vititate, leaving the latter to rely on his non existent combat expertise to survive - ergo ; he gets cut in half
Calling every darksider in the galaxy... Lord Kaan could summon millions of his Sith minions and telepathically cuck them all at once. And he gets punked by PoD Bane, who gets punked by DoE Bane, who gets punked by someone several generations down the line, and so on, until we get to Plagueis, who could inform every living being (sextillions?) of his existence - essentially a communion with the Living Force of the galaxy as a whole.
Krayt's feat is nothing in the face of the Banite line. If this is all that his hype is predicated on from Legacy, then his chances of being Yoda-level just went down the sewage drain. The only thing that I could see placing him up with the greats is some sort of argument formed from his Fate of the Jedi hype, but even then he canonically scales below Palpatine even at his most powerful, considering that the OG Emperor remained the most powerful Sith Lord for millennia even after his death:
And Vitiate...
😂
Nothing more needs to be said about that guy honestly.
Originally posted by Azronger
[B]@SelIt says "Emperor Palpatine, the most powerful Sith Lord for millennia" - how else would you interpret that? [/B]
Logically it stretches beyond the Banite line, otherwise the plurality of millennia doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t however necessarily apply to any Sith that followed Palpatine as you seem to suggest, that’s not how syntax works.
I’m not saying Krayt > Palpatine, but your quote is entirely inapplicable in their comparison, tbh.
Originally posted by ILS
It's talking about the millennia that passed between Bane and Sidious' time, obviously.
That was a single millennium. The quote says multiple millennia. And I don't see how it says that anyway. It says "for millennia," not "in millennia." It's blatantly referring to the future.
