If He Be Worthy - BENTLEY VS LORDOFBROOKLYN
Let the cry ring out!!
And so beings another battle unlike any other!!!
Kang the Conqueror (Bentley)!!! vs Cyborg Superman (LoB) !!!
If He Be Worthy - ID VS BEATBOKS
And Lo'! There began a battle unlike any other!
Welcome to the first match of the quarter finals.
3 Post Limit
OP
Rebuttal
Ending Post
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Judges
Rage.Of.Olympus
Philosophia
Smurph
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Location:
Bentley's Opening Post
Kang vs Cyborg Superman. I admit that from the get to go this is an uncomfortable match up for me, I possess a huge array of amazing technology that the kryptonian wanna be can potentially control and use against me. I could do a lot of amazing stuff but I don't like to share my toys. Luckily enough I'm a conqueror and I have time on my side. My opponent will never get to mount any defense against me, his vaunted technopathy rendered mooth by the flawless execution of my superior strategy.
The Opening Gambit
I enter the battlefield with my shields on and my first thought is "slip into the timestream".
As you can see my armor is capable of obeying my thoughts before they are even fully enonciated, this will be the speed in which my armor will be operating for everything. Vastly above human reactions, so I'll be into the timestream in a split second. But after giving this very command I'll start to set Mjolnir to absorb exotic energies such as Cyborg Superman's Psychic form were he try to get close to me while being intangible. Not tha he'd be able to... But this also will move forward into the next steps of my plan.
It's easy to conceed that Cyborg Superman has vastly superhuman reflexes, but we cannot just translate his abilities to Superman level out of convenience (if you want that speed, draft Kal), there are many examples of Superman having troubles physically handling an opponent who is vastly slower, that's comicbooks for you. Cyborg Superman is fast, but exactly how fast he is should leave a huge room for potential action. Also kryptonian abilities are the source of most of his speed which do not necesarily boost his technopathic powers. I'd expect that any technopathic assault won't be orders of magnitudes faster than it would be from a regular telepath. Cyborg Superman has feats controlling many machines at once and high end technologies, but he has never been particularly speedy at the task. There is also an starting distance he'd need to clear before getting to my person. I believe it's safe to see how under this condition my jump into the timestream is pretty much assured.
Additionally, my shields could prove to be enough of a deterrent to any technopathy attack.
My shields are capable of blocking off exotic energies:
https://imgur.com/a/CgGPy
The can also shift frequencies cutting off any potential attempts of passing through them, here even Chaos Magic is unable to get through them:
https://imgur.com/a/akRe8
I've also faced accomplished technopaths directly before without my tech being hampered in the least:
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Enteithegreat/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyNTY3NjA4MQ==/?ref=
My armor will automatically record all it can about the position of Cyborg Superman's and his actions against me. This is mostly so I know where to sit safetly for my next movement. Once in the timestream, the second part of my plan moves forward.
The Opening Gambit (Once Again)
The only way Cyborg Superman can reach me in the timestream is through mjolnir, but opening portals with it takes forever and it would only play into my advantage, so the only way the hammer could matter would be if it was thrown into the timestream. If that happens, I'll just freeze it and keep it into a forcefield for the remaining of the batle (good riddance). Other than that, I'm entirely safe here, so I get to mount an assault unimpeded at top speed.
According to the rules I can remain five seconds outside the battlefield. That's more than enough.
I summon my cloaking device and suddenly CS won't be able to detect me (all this with but a thought):
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Enteithegreat/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyNTY3NjA4MQ==/?ref=
We all know the gist, my device cloaked me from Galactus, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange and allowed me to walk into Warlock's control room undetected.
I also set my armor so I'm timeshifted as long as I get back into the Battlefield:
Notice that energy goes through me, there is no true reason for me to fear technopathy in this timeshifted state. I'll still play it safe.
Then I jump back in time, [/i]to the very first moment of this match[/i]. I enter the arena at a safe distance, still absorbing exotic energies with mjolnir (I will only stop doing this if Mjolnir is thrown at me, in which case I'll dispose of it quickly and get back to business) going by the information originally gathered by my armor. Everything else is achieved by just thinking and allowing my armor to deal with details at top speed. This will take no time at all. My armor is set with a preemptive order to jump back automatically into the timestream as soon as I gather detailed information on the following:
1) The exact position and activities of Cyborg Superman at all times through roughly half a second into the match.
2) The exact position and activities of Mjolnir at all times in the same timeframe.
3) Any presence of tech in the battlefield and movement from it.
My sensors are uber and I'm perfectly cloaked, this is all just a repeat of the opening gambit that LoB will be playing once again and on my perspective it's old news. From there I'll adapt my strategy so he's absolutely crushed by my upcoming attacks. I'll outline my generic offense in case he does something brutish out of overconfidence.
The Opening Gambit (Third time is the charm)
Cyborg Superman is speedy and sturdy, but he's not very skilled and Mjolnir's magical abilities aren't amped by his stats. This means that he's not likely to produce a proper shield that would keep him from eating a whole lot of Time Stop:
I know where he is, I know what he's doing, this is just a repeat of his defeat in live. I'm jumping back into the first moment of the match, fully cloaked, shielded, time-shifted and having predicted his every move. The timestop happens and his speed no longer matters. He'll be sitting there peacefully while I put him down like a dog (and I will). Timestop is achieved with the slightest gesture and Mjolnir is still absorbing exotic energies. Now the good ol' mallet will pass into the offensive. I jump back into the timestream with a thought.
The Opening Gambit (Upkeep)
But you might be thinking "hey, Time Stop will end as soon as you jump back into the timestream right?", nope, because after he gets hit by it I'll just leave a cloaked timedupe that will be there extending the time stop with his own armor for long enough. He'll of course also jump into the first second of the match and give me, let's say two seconds of extra time stop, assuming nothing else was suspiciously detected during the whole ordeal. Yep. LoB won't last two whole seconds.
The Opening Gambit (Five by Five)
Mjolnir has this very cool ability of absorbing energy and then releasing it amped several times over.
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/OneDumbG0/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyNjE2NDI4OA==/?ref=
http://photobucket.com/gallery/http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir193-EnergyAbsorptionAEMH.jpg.html
I'll use this ability twice, but I'll only need to produce it once into the timestream (I hope to save at least an extra second outside the battlefield to regroup if things get nasty). The second time Cyborg Superman would be so undone and paralyzed in time that it will not matter at all.
I'll amp my Surfer busting beam up a notch through my mallet and leave the gun in the timestream:
https://imgur.com/a/OlUnC
https://imgur.com/a/wZS3v
This will effectively desintigrate any metallic elements of Cyborg's Superman structure, leaving maybe his biological parts badly burnt and battered. A blast that melts Surfer's Silvery skin multiplied tenfold or a hundredfold will leave no metal standing. There is no tech for him to jump into (mine is too time-shifted, too cloaked and too awesome to count). So he's just a charred crisp of Kryptonian flesh that will get depowered by my Mjolnir Ultra Diode ray in a second:
https://imgur.com/a/NEWJZ
https://imgur.com/a/Q53xQ
The other Mjolnir never really mattered, time-shifted, thrown aside into the timestream. Obviously this already counts as a forum win but you guys probably feel that I must absolutely make sure my tech is not controlled by this charred husk.
Nothing is easier than teleporting at a safe distance after Cyborg Superman is confirmed as koed by the scans of one of my dupes and not tech other than my own is around. I wipe out a shield with Mjolnir for the kicks and send my armor into the timestream safely. Suddenly CS has no tech to ever hope to hop into and no physical body nor hope for recovery (there is not even a Sun in this dimension). And thus, Kang conquers.
LoB's Opening Post
YOU ARE ABOUT TO BEAR WITNESS TO THE GREATEST MASSACRE IN BATTLEZONE HISTORY!
https://patrickehlersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/cyborg-superman.jpg
I PRESENT TO YOU CYBORG SUPERMAN, THE MURDERER OF KANG!!!
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Henry_Henshaw_(New_Earth)
Cyborg Superman has ALL the abilities of The Man of Steel
STRENGTH
INVULNERABILITY
SPEED
THERE IS ONE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN POWER CYBORG SUPERMAN POSSESS
TECHNOPATHY
CYBORG SUPERMAN CAN CONTROL ALL FORMS OF TECHNOLOGY MENTALLY!!!
A SUPERMAN WITH COMPLETE CONTROL OVER TECHNOLOGY IS FORMIDABLE ENOUGH NOW WHEN YOU ADD THIS…
CYBORG SUPERMAN IS INVINCIBLE!!!
The opponent of CYBORG SUPERMAN is none other than….
KANG
Kang’s abilities ALL derive entirely from TECHNOLOGY
BEHOLD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_...s_and_abilities
Technology AGAINST a TECHNOPATH equals ANNIHILATION FOR KANG
THE PLAN THAT KILLED KANG!!
Cyborg Superman creates a shield and speedblitzes instantly seizing control of Kang’s armor thereby immobilizing him.
http://i.imgur.com/cK5VFhl.jpg
As a result of the initial attack Kang’s forcefield will be disabled allowing for a very simple and direct disarmament.
Cyborg Superman’s database is immense and whatever knowledge of Mjolnir is lacking is now augmented by Kang’s EXTENSIVE knowledge of the weapon through downloading.
http://i.imgur.com/TA9zDxq.jpg
Cyborg Superman then takes Mjolnir and proceeds to BEHEAD KANG!!
THIS is what happens when a NON-SUPERMAN hits Kang!!!
KANG’S PATH FOREVER ENDS HERE
When it comes to Cyborg Superman there is no such thing as Overkill. In that vein I will remove ANY hope for Kang’s survival.
CYBORG SUPERMAN TAKES THE URU FROM MJOLNIR AND CREATES….
THE SUPER DESTROYER
http://i.imgur.com/NJ072sG.jpg
Now, a few reminders for the judges.
1.There is NO PREP.
2.Kang has NO enhanced abilities outside of tech.
3.All of Kang’s technology is under Cyborg Superman’s Control
4.Kang DOES NOT gain Physical enhancement from Mjolnir.
Kang THE CONQUERED is no more.
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DESPERATION causes a man to do many things. In this case THE BROKEN, BAGUETTE, BENTLEY, wants you to deny both CANON and THE RULES involved in this tournament to escape ANNIHILATION.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO ESCAPE!!!
There are many topics Bentley has covered in his opening posts that he HOPES The Judges won’t be astute and dedicated enough to DISREGARD and DISQUALIFY. I will address and REFUTE them point by point.
Before I begin there is a term I want EVERYONE to pay SPECIAL attention to….
“PREP WITHOUT PREP”
Let The Games Begin.
SPEED- This is where Bentley wants you to DENY CLEAR CANON and EMBRACE his fan Fiction.
“as you can see my armor is capable of obeying my thoughts before they are even fully enonciated, this will be the speed in which my armor will be operating for everything. Vastly above human reactions, so I'll be into the timestream in a split second.” Fraudulent Frenchie
“It's easy to conceed that Cyborg Superman has vastly superhuman reflexes, but we cannot just translate his abilities to Superman level out of convenience (if you want that speed, draft Kal), there are many examples of Superman having troubles physically handling an opponent who is vastly slower, that's comicbooks for you. Cyborg Superman is fast, but exactly how fast he is should leave a huge room for potential action.” Crooked Croissant
Now here we see the FIRST example of Bentley wanting the judges to DENY CLEAR CANON and EMBRACE his fan fiction. He starts by using the word “VASTLY” to create a FALSE equivalence between Kang’s speed and Cyborg Superman.
Cyborg Superman’s reflexes AND Combat speed are DEFINITIVELY Superman level!
BEHOLD
Here we see Cyborg Superman DEFEAT Superboy, Supergirl, and The Eradicator
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https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/square_avatar/2464287-4.png
Now, to remove ALL doubt!!!
Cyborg Superman SPEEDBLITZES Superman!
http://i.imgur.com/SOS3M2t.jpg
VERDICT- Cyborg Superman has the ability to Speedblitz Kang before he reacts just as stated in The opening Post.
EXOTIC-Now, not only did Bentley claim that Kang was able to enter the time stream BEFORE Cyborg Superman speedblitzes. He SOMEHOW was able to ALSO do the following as well.
“But after giving this very command I'll start to set Mjolnir to absorb exotic energies such as Cyborg Superman's Psychic form were he try to get close to me while being intangible. Not tha he'd be able to... But this also will move forward into the next steps of my plan.”
AGAIN, Bentley wants you to DENY CANON and EMBRACE fan fiction. Also, we have “PREP WITHOUT PREP” at play as well.
1)Exotic Energies- There is NOTHING “EXOTIC” about the energies being used to ANNIHILATE Kang by Cyborg Superman. Cyborg Superman has ABSOLUTE control over technology trough technopathy. This technopathy is psionically based. Period. The same mental powers that Kang is using to somehow: a) Enter the timestream, b)Set Mjolnir to absorb exotic energies, c)Turn intangible, d) FORM THE INFINITY GAUNTLET etc. There is NOTHING in Mjolnir’s canon that allows for what Bentley is attempting to argue for.
2)In the “SPLIT SECOND(S)” that all of Kang’s plans are taking place one MAJOR issue hasn’t been addressed.
HOW DOES KANG KNOW ABOUT CYBORG SUPERMAN’S “EXOTIC” ENERGIES WITHOUT PREP?!!!
ANSWER- Kang DOESN’T and COULDN’T know about Cyborg
Superman’s abilities beforehand.
3)What does “Setting” Mjolnir to absorb “EXOTIC” energies mean? Mjolnir is NOT a technological device. Kang would have to HOLD Mjolnir and begin to draw these “EXOTIC” energies into it. That is not an instantaneous process even if he could pull it off.
VERDICT- Kang DOESN’T have the ability to absorb Cyborg Superman’s technopathy. Furthermore, Kang has NO KNOWLEDGE of Cyborg Superman’s “EXOTIC” technopathic energies.
THE MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR- Judges, get your LIBATIONS, this is going to be very involved and take awhile. Why do you ask?.....
WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW BENTLEY’S PLAN STEP BY STEP
1)Kang enters the battlefield AND simultaneously enters the timestream in a “Split second” beyond Cyborg Superman’s level of perception and reflexes.
2)Shortly after Kang ENTERED the Battlefield AND simultaneously entered the timestream he ALSO had the time to set Mjolnir to absorb “EXOTIC” energies.
3)Kang’s armor automatically records Cyborg Superman’s position.
4)While OUTSIDE of The Battlefield he summons his cloaking device (Within the 5 second rule)
5)While STILL outside of The Battlefield Kang sets his armor so he is “Timeshifted” when he returns to the Battlefield. (STILL within the 5 second rule)
6)Jumps back into time to the very” First” moment of the match.
7)Kang sets his armor with a Pre-emptive (How is it pre-emptive when he has already been on the battlefield?) order to JUMP BACK into the Timestream.
8)Before Kang JUMPS BACK into The Timestream he has the chance to do ALL the following. A) The exact position and activities of Cyborg Superman at all times through roughly half a second into the match. B) The exact position and activities of Mjolnir at all times in the same timeframe. C) Any presence of tech in the battlefield and movement from it.
9)Kang JUMPS BACK into The Timestream (FOR NOW THE 3RD TIME) which inexplicably is “STILL” the beginning of the match. Kang is now fully cloaked, shielded, time-shifted and having predicted his every move.
10) Kang STOPS TIME AGAIN and Cyborg Superman is now FROZEN.
11)Mjolnir SOMEHOW is still absorbing “EXOTIC” energies while Kang is now OUT of The Timestream watching the immobilized Cyborg Superman.
12)Kang RE-ENTERS The Timestream and attacks Cyborg Superman. Even though Kang has RE-ENTERED The Timestream time is STILL stopped (Yeah he said it)
13) Remember step 12 where Kang RE-ENTERS The Timestream and time by ALL means of CANON and rationality should’ve re-started? Well, it didn’t because…. “after he(Cyborg Superman) gets hit by it I'll just leave a cloaked time dupe that will be there extending the time stop with his own armor for long enough. He'll of course also jump into the first second of the match and give me, let's say two seconds of extra time stop, assuming nothing else was suspiciously detected during the whole ordeal. Yep. LoB won't last two whole seconds.”
WAKE UP JUDGES THERE IS STILL MORE!!!
14)I will do my best to decipher this step. Bear with me. Either Kang while OUT of The Timestream OR The Kang “Dupe” who is IN The Timestream does the following. Kang or Kang Dupe is going to a) Channel “Surfer busting energy” into Mjolnir while OUT of The Timestream b) Kang or Dupe Kang is going to AGAIN channel “Surfer busting Energy” into Mjolnir but it’s REALLY the first time as he now enters The Timestream!
BAH!
Here, let The Crooked Croissaint explain!
“Mjolnir has this very cool ability of absorbing energy and then releasing it amped several times over. I'll use this ability twice, but I'll only need to produce it once into the timestream (I hope to save at least an extra second outside the battlefield to regroup if things get nasty). The second time Cyborg Superman would be so undone and paralyzed in time that it will not matter at all.”
“I'll amp my Surfer busting beam up a notch through my mallet and leave the gun in the timestream:”
15) After jumping in and out of The Timestream to charge Mjolnir, Kang RE-ENTERS (At this point who knows) and unleashes a “SURFER BUSTER” that supposedly turns Cyborg Superman into charred ash with some flesh attached.
16) Before I forget Cyborg Superman’s Mjolnir SOMEHOW being trapped and dropped into The Timestream by Kang among the 15 steps detailed in his plan.
JUDGES, THIS IS THE DEATH STAR.
IT HAS LESS MOVING PIECES THAN BENTLEY’S PLAN!!!
Kang has NO WAY OUT. There is NO PREP to allow him to defend against The Speed, Power, and versatility of Cyborg Superman. When you couple that with Technopathy and the most powerful weapon ever forged, Mjolnir. Kang dies.
CYBORG SUPERMAN WINS
First of all, let me thank LoB for restating my whole plan again, it might come out as convoluted. Here is the short version:
"I make a bunch of time dupes at the begining of the match and spam killing moves"
And some of my dupes just like to watch, those time displaced pervs.
This is why I put so much emphasis in the Opening Gambit, knowing that my opponent is an speedster of sorts and that I only need to get into the Timestream once to start creating dupes, everything plays in just the few interactions of the match.
I'm citing LoB for the critical steps of my plan:
1)Kang enters the battlefield AND simultaneously enters the timestream in a “Split second” beyond Cyborg Superman’s level of perception and reflexes.
Technically I never said Kang was downright faster than CS's reflexes, I just said that given that I'll be teleporting at superhuman speed and that you'll be far, impeded by my shielding and using an ability without any proper speed feat (technopathy) I will have enough time to slip away.
http://i.imgur.com/cK5VFhl.jpg
Going by your own scans and your strategy you are meant to control my armor, but no time frame allows us to assume your technopathy is fast enough to get through my shields before I teleport. This is probably about the slower thing you could do aside from summoning a portal with your hammer
2)Shortly after Kang ENTERED the Battlefield AND simultaneously entered the timestream he ALSO had the time to set Mjolnir to absorb “EXOTIC” energies.
Going into the timestream is a single thought that goes into my armor and then gets automatized, from there my entire focus is in absorbing energy with Mjolnir
HOW DOES KANG KNOW ABOUT CYBORG SUPERMAN’S “EXOTIC” ENERGIES WITHOUT PREP?!!!
Well, I'm in control of Kang so I know it's a psionic energy that I need to absorb. Mjolnir has absorbed such energies in the past and I am given the hammer with all it's existing abilities. Also I'm pretty sure it's harder to counter an specific wavelenght with technology than to mindlessly sponge a wide array of energies with magic
What does “Setting” Mjolnir to absorb “EXOTIC” energies mean? Mjolnir is NOT a technological device. Kang would have to HOLD Mjolnir and begin to draw these “EXOTIC” energies into it. That is not an instantaneous process even if he could pull it off.
Well, I'm holding the hammer as I enter the battlefield, so I'm holding Mjolnir. Was it supposed to be hanging from my pants? Did I conveniently leave it in the floor before going into the fray?
After receiving my command of absorbing energy Mjolnir will be acting on its own, since the hammer is magical and sh_t. Such command will be faster than, let's say, me trying to throw it with human reflexes. Even if we conceed the absorption might not come into effect before I jump into the timestream for the first time, it remains an option for all of my dupes that will follow. Since you are actually throwing technopathy out, one of my dupes might succeed in absorbing your essence where my original body never had the time to act.
3)Kang’s armor automatically records Cyborg Superman’s position.
This is an autonomous process, Kang's armor has many different sensors that feed Kang information, but since the Conqueror won't necessarily digest huge amounts of information in real time, it must be recorded somewhere. This is like complaining about me having to concentrate to have my phone record my geolocation.
Now, into countering some of your other scans:
http://i.imgur.com/SOS3M2t.jpg
Well, here we have the typical instance of a bullrush (going in a straight line) from an amped Cyborg Superman (with the rings and all yellow glowy). Not what I'd call a definitive showing of superior speed, specially since you're trying to do a more complex operation than just running into Superman on the fly. Also for whatever reason you seemingly created the shield after entering the battlefield, but I'm going to pretend this was an oversight on your otherwise perfect opening post.
Them Shieldz
I did not see any scans of these or their capabilities, if they are some standard generic ones I don't see how they will stand to energy absorption (that I'm doing all the time) and Time stop. I guess some feats could be useful so the judges can decide whether these are relevant, I believe to have more than enough tools to get through them with my standard plan.
Disposing of Mjolnir
I did not really specify at which point I was going to get rid of the hammer, but is it really relevant? I mean, it's sitting there doing nothing. After time stop I could encase it in a force field and throw it away at any given time. Time stop kind of buys me enough time to get rid of it.
Once I get into the timestream I become impossible to detect, I can no longer be affected by any attack from my opponent due to time shift and I can scan every movement from LoB at my leisure. Also Mjolnir's absorbing abilities will go into full effect for all of my dupes, rendering any attemps at technopathy against them mooth. Since CS has a lot of versatility I wanted to play it safe and did a lot of movements and confirms after the initial time jump, but it's conceivable that I can deal with CS just by teleporting while being invisible and untouchable while he struggles not to get paralyzed by my time abilities.
Final Post
Ok, first of all, let me address one of the things I skipped over last time:
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*squints his eyes very hard*
I'm assuming this is a Reign of the Supermen showing. Fighting three weaker opponents at once shows that CS can be a team buster but it's unrelated with his speed abilities, he only needs to be around the level of Byrne characters (not necesarily using their speed) to pull that off. I mean, Hulk beats several opponents at once and he doesn't need to be faster than them.
Other stuff: Cyborg Superman getting hit by a hotter than the sun beam.
Surfer routinely bathes in stars to no ill effect, Kang was melting his skin and I'm hitting him with at least 10 times more strength. Also an amped CS showing.
I have deployed my strategy and disected all the showings LoB brought to the table, he has no way to affect me when I'm timeshifted, he has no defense against time stop, he cannot detect me with my uber cloaking. He settled on a rather slow opening strategy that will play into my ability to jump back from he timestream a the first moment of the Match. Cyborg Superman is faster and more powerful but I have time on my side and Mjolnir gives me superior firepower. The only situation that could benefit Lob here is a quickdraw scenario in which he actually gets to me before my technology teleports me out of the arena. But CS's abilities to speedblitz are mostly skewed from showings vs Superman that many admittedly slower players have replicated over the years. He did not draft Superman and he has never the same level of Kryptonian powers. My defenses remain an effective deterrent for his technopathy.
So let's solidify that defense, I brought scans about my ships using oscilating energy frequences, but this is standard equipment for my armor (uploaded both images in the same place by accident, you can check them both on the link):
And that's a weapon conceived to pierce forcefields not some random psyblast. Kang is psyshielded, so we know his defenses account for attacks of psychic nature (also in the link above).
If you somehow believe Cyborg Superman's shield would hold a candle against my time-stop just remember that Iron-Lad handled two characters with vastly superior shields as if it was nothing:
...And that's a much less experienced version of Kang.
His movement options? I know exactly where he'll be thanks to my sensors and I'll get him while time-shifted and cloaked. Timestop has an area of effect as proved by my previous scan so there is a healthy room for catching CS despite his speed.
I honestly expect LoB to dump everything in the last post hoping to avoid my counter-arguments and win the attention of the judges with never-seen-before-feats. But my plan will not allow him to squeeze new actions into his offense thanks to time manipulation, so he only has that quick draw scenario that I have throughly deconstructed. His carelessness is his doom as unlike me, he cannot go back to time to redo his opening strategy into a more fitting offense.
I planned ahead to the many uses of versatility that Cyborg Superman could bring to the table but LoB decided to use none of that. I respect his straight forward approach since his speed is a valuable advantage, but his powers are accounted for and his approach will only hinder his own plans as I step back and strike him from the shadows as if I was a timeshifted army, my sensors will scout his every move so there is no potential error. This was never a battle, it was an ambush.
Veni, vidi, vici quite literally.
Final POST
Bentley is now CHANGING HIS PLAN and hopes the Judges DON'T notice.
THE 16 STEP PLAN HAS NOW BECOME THE FOLLOWING
"I make a bunch of time dupes at the begining of the match and spam killing moves"-Faulty Flambé
Changed from.
1) Kang enters the battlefield AND simultaneously enters the timestream in a “Split second” beyond Cyborg Superman’s level of perception and reflexes.
A Split second trip into the Timestream has now become an attack where he launches a BUNCH of Dupes who have “Killing Moves” (What would these moves be?)
I already BEHEADED Kang with a Speedblitz powered by Mjolnir in Bentley’s ORIGINAL plan. Now if you accept this NEW scenario Cyborg Superman has MORE time to do so.
VERDICT OP Bentley vs 2.0 Bentley= Advantage Cyborg
PREP WITHOUT PREP
Kang is known for being a prep master, AGAIN, there is NO PREP ALLOWED. Given this fact I posed the following question.
HOW DOES KANG KNOW ABOUT CYBORG’S “EXOTIC” ENERGIES WITHOUT PREP?
Frog’s response
“Well, I'm in control of Kang so I know it's a psionic energy that I need to absorb. Mjolnir has absorbed such energies in the past and I am given the hammer with all it's existing abilities. Also I'm pretty sure it's harder to counter an specific wavelenght with technology than to mindlessly sponge a wide array of energies with magic”- Fraudulent Frenchie
1 Bentley’s being in control of Kang DOES NOT equate to Kang having knowledge of Cyborg’s powers beforehand. There is no way that Kang would “Know it’s a psionic energy that I need to absorb” WITHOUT PREP.
2 There is no WAVELENGTH being used here. Cyborg controls ALL forms of technology through technopathy. There is NO Special wavelength or Outside source to intercept. Mjolnir CANT stop PSIONIC ENERGY.
3)Bentley cites Magic and that would be an option except for one thing
The only characters able to conjure spells in this tournament are Loki and Hellstorm.
Kang has NO knowledge of Cyborgs technopathic powers and even if he did Mjolnir provides no way of blocking technopathy. Kang has NO knowledge of The Mystic arts and can’t utilize Mjolnir in that fashion.
VERDICT OP Crooked Croissant VS 2.0 Crooked Croissant= Advantage Cyborg
That should deny Bentley’s OPENING and REVISED attacks
THE DEATH OF KANG
Here is my OP on how Cyborg murders Kang.
Cyborg creates a shield and speedblitzes instantly seizing control of Kang’s armor thereby immobilizing him.
http://i.imgur.com/cK5VFhl.jpg
As a result of the initial attack Kang’s forcefield will be disabled allowing for a very simple and direct disarmament.
Cyborg’s database is immense and whatever knowledge of Mjolnir is lacking is now augmented by Kang’s knowledge of the weapon through downloading.
http://i.imgur.com/TA9zDxq.jpg
Cyborg Superman then takes Mjolnir and BEHEADS KANG
THIS is what happens when a NON-SUPERMAN hits Kang
KANG’S PATH ENDS HERE
When it comes to Cyborg there is no such thing as Overkill. In that vein I will remove ANY hope for Kang’s survival.
CYBORG TAKES THE URU FROM MJOLNIR AND CREATES
THE SUPER DESTROYER
http://i.imgur.com/NJ072sG.jpg
In 3 STEPS I have created a plan that destroys Bentley’s ORIGINAL (The only one you should be using to judge) AND REVISED plan
I will go through the 3 steps again with FAULTY FLAMBE’S denials debunked in each.
1.The Speedblitz Bentley denied that Cyborg was fast enough to accomplish a Speedblitz before Kang reacted as Cyborg doesn’t have Superman level speed and reflexes.
https://static.comicvine.com/api/im...r/2464284-2.png
https://static.comicvine.com/api/im...r/2464286-3.png
https://static.comicvine.com/api/im...r/2464287-4.png
http://i.imgur.com/SOS3M2t.jpg
This shows Cyborg can blitz just as quickly as The Man of Steel.
In the 2.0 version of Bentley’s opening attack he THEN claims that while Cyborg has some speed advantage Kang has “vastly” superhuman reaction speed to deal with the threat.
LIES
You’ve seen Kang defeated in hand to hand combat by Captain America. Some may say Super Soldier enhanced Rogers gives him a chance.
WRONG
Let’s see what Kang does against other combatants.
Here we have The Black Knight taking down Kang HAND TO HAND
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...ges+%287%29.jpg
Kang vs a PREGNANT WOMAN
PREGO WINS
VERDICT Cyborg can blitz Kang and the Conquered is not fast enough to perceive or react to this speedblitz in time to do anything.
THE BEHEADING Now while speedblitzing toward Kang Cyborg’s technopathy has already taken over Kang’s armor immobilizing him and disabling his autoshield. Crooked Croissant denies that Cyborg can take over Kang’s armor through technopathy and get through his shields in time.
Here is a myriad of examples of Cyborg’s technopathy controlling tech SUPERIOR to Kang’s.
The JLA Watchtower VS Cyborg’s Technopathy
http://i.imgur.com/vPL7Xdi.jpg
The ENTIRE networking system of Apokolips VS Cyborg’s Technopathy
http://i.imgur.com/vCzRbWg.jpg
WARWORLD VS Cyborg’s Technopathy
http://i.imgur.com/vPL7Xdi.jpg
Here are 3 examples detailing the SPEED and SCALE in which Cyborg’s technopathy works. It shows that Kang’s tech would prove no match against a Technopathic assault and leave him defenseless.
Bentley claims that Kang CAN deal with Technopathy and has done so in the past. Here is the proof he provided.
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user...3NjA4MQ==/?ref=
Judges do you see what I see above regarding Kang’s ability to deal with Technopathic assault?
ZE ZILCH!
There is NO evidence of TECHNOPATHIC assault and NO evidence of Kang defending against it!
Now I already considered Kang’s shields in my opening post. However I must make a CLEAR distinction. I was giving Kang credit for his DEFAULT shield that he automatically enters the arena with. NOT a shield created by Mjolnir as Kang won’t have the time to create one.
Here are what Kang’s DEFAULT shields look like AGAINST MJOLNIR.
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...adnessthor1.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...olnir+blast.jpg
Notice that WITHOUT momentum or murderous intent Thor was able to throttle Kang with a blast from Mjolnir and then SMASH the forcefield with a hammer strike.
VERDICT Cyborg’s Technopathy has affected technology surpassing Kang’s armor and will control his. Mjolnir has ALREADY broken Kang’s default shield. Given the increased speed and strength associated with Cyborg’s assault he breaks the shield again.
SUPER DESTROYER Kang WILL already be dead from the onslaught of the first 2 attacks. HOWEVER, in the spirit of those who want a more Comicbook style encounter where there is a back and forth I provided The Super Destroyer.
Cyborg bonds with Mjolnir and creates a Super Destroyer. Some may doubt Cyborg’s ability to do this given the magical properties of Mjolnir.
THIS REMOVES ANY DOUBT
This is the Source Wall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourc...ctional_history
CYBORG BONDED AND CONTROLLED THE SOURCE WALL TO ATTACK SUPERMAN!
http://i.imgur.com/I5Ah94U.jpg
This proves that Cyborg CAN bond with Mjolnir to create a Super Destroyer. A construct made of Uru with all the properties of Mjolnir coupled with Cyborg ’s powers.
In both Bentleys plans Cyborg is rendered down to his metallic parts with “No technology” to enter. While I have shown that Cyborg can withstand ANY attack UNSHIELDED from Kang this 3rd step assures victory. Cyborg created The Super Destroyer which can operate independently and would NOT be destroyed by “The Surfer busting” blast . Uru is stronger than any attack Kang could muster. Cyborg would have that as a resource if EVERY part of Bentleys plan were successful
VERDICT SUPER DESTROYER IS TRIUMPHANT
Miscellaneous
The French are a TREACHEROUS lot and none more so than THE CRAP FILLED CREPE known as Bentley. Here are a few things to look out for
1.Hacking vs Technopathy- Whatever scans Bentley provides showing Kang’s “Defenses” against Technopathy are related to “Hacking”. Cyborg is not gaining control through technological means but through PSIONIC control. The distinction is clear.
2.Magic in disguise- The Exotic energy claim may be a setup for the instance in which Thor drained the soul from The Presence. This attack is CLEARLY mystical in nature and therefore DISQUALIFIED. However, if you choose to allow it, it FAILS. The Source Wall scan PROVES that Kang will simply be drawing Cyborg into HIS Mjolnir thereby giving him control of the weapon.
3.Killer Clones Spamming- Bentley in his revised plan is now “SPAMMING’ the field with Kang Clones. HA! More tech on the field with Cyborg equals MORE power at his disposal.
Closing
Judges, I’ve presented you a clear and concise way in which Kang dies. Every argument provided by Bentley has been refuted with canon in the form of scans. Equally, every argument provided on Cyborg's behalf has been bolstered by canon in the form of scans. Kang WITH PREP would be hard pressed to win and here he has none.
VOTE CYBORG SUPERMAN
With that let us mourn for Kang!
OK, there was some stuff to untangle in this match. Thanks to both posters for helping their opponent explain their OPs, cause I had some question marks after reading those. I got lost in the time jumping, and also in LoB’s combined speedblitz/technopath/shield action.
Suggestions that I’d like to toss out there for future matches:
a) Can we make a rule against page stretching? FFS
b) Can we give future posters a chance to re-upload failed links? Everybody, just use postimages.org
Anyways 😊, on to the match.
For me, this came down to time shenanigans vs technopathy + speed, so it was about pitting some cheap (but effective) tactics against each other.
A couple key points:
- Both offensive strategies are convincingly brutal. Either of you can one/two shot the other (for the purposes of a tourney win) so it’s mostly about who bypasses defenses first.
- I’ve never legit lol’d as often during one of these things as I did when reading LoB’s posts. The “PREGO WINS” really got me.
- Because either opponent can quickly take out the other, it came down to who lands their big attack first: technopathy vs the time jump. IMO, if Kang accomplishes the time jump, he wins. The evidence was there that Kang/armor/Mjolnir could accomplish what he set out to do in his 5 seconds in the time stream. On the other hand, if Cyborg got control of the armor, or lands his sucker punch, he wins. I do think that Kang benefited from Bentley’s personal knowledge of Cyborg Superman, but I don’t think it mattered, because no evidence was given of Mjolnir ‘absorbing psychic energies’, so there was no basis for the hammer defending against technopathy.
My ruling: Bentley
LoB: I know we joke, but it’s not personal. If the other judges happen to disagree with me and you advance I think you stand a chance to take this tournament… but I don’t think you won this match.
Reasoning:
The question was whether Cyborg Supes could get to Kang before Kang entered the time stream. Yeah, Bentley didn’t have evidence of Kang directly countering technopathy, but he did have evidence of Kang’s shields blocking out psychic bodies and exotic signals and that was never refuted. Given what Cyborg has controlled, it’s obvious that he could control Kang’s tech, but it was a question of controlling in a manner of milliseconds… and Kang’s shields seem to provide some basic level of resistance against that.
With that aside, it became about countering Kang’s offense, and LoB never really addressed that. Some evidence of Cyborg’s healing, or Mjolnir being used to absorb and counter the attack would have gone a long way to bulldozing through Bentley’s small edge. Because Kang’s time travelling back to the opening second of the match, I don’t think the ‘SUPER DESTROYER’ plan would have ever been realized, so I didn’t address that.
Thanks dudes, good fight! 👆
beatboks wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 09:26 AM:
Bentley Vs LoBIf I'm honest I found this match a little disappointing. I had a higher expextation of how it would play
Bently
I found a few aspects of Bantley's plan to be blatantly in breach of the time manipulation rule for BZ. I don't have a problem with his entering the time stream to summon armor ect. However travelling back in time to the start of the battle, and time stop are, while time skip is pushing the boundary (though I'll let slide). I recall having a Tourney where I sued Dr Occult being judged/questioned on using Occult's ability to step outside time to view the past (and that is all he can do - see) being ruled as Time manip and in breach and what your doing here is MUCH more.
I didn't find the scan of Kang withstanding technopathy showed what you said. I may have misread it or there may have been context I wasn't aware of from scans either side.without time stop I don't see Kang successfully protected from CS and I didn't see enough to convinve me he could withstand CS' technopathy.
some creative use of Kang, let down by that gap.
LoB
Even as I read your first post I questioned the use of CS using 10 yellow rings to bull rush before Bentley pointed it out. I have no doubt CS is fast but this scan didn't really help you in this regard.You alluded to CS amalgamating the Uru hammer into his form as he is capable of rebuilding his body with any materials around. This was a promising concept that you took absolutely nowhere. You never even touched on it again.
While the feat you had for CS speed was invalid I have no doubt CS could blitz faster than human thought (or at least as fast) can make kang step outside timestram, meaning either a successful attack or a technopathic block of the action.
My judgement goies to Lob. This wasn't a battle he won by him but rather Bentley lost due to the use of legally questionable tactics.
*sees page stretched*
Who could be responsible for this?
First impressions
For Bentley..
I was waiting for a scan of Kang exiting for the time-stream, to see how fast the process takes. All I saw was a scan of his armor obeying his thoughts. Command =/= fulfilled action.
I was waiting for scans on a lot of stuff. I can't just take "I'll be outside, jumping around the timestream while simultaneously scanning and knowing everything about this technopath" at face value.
Bentley's seeing this as a quickdraw, and his main starting points are for minimizing the effects. Leave the battlefield as soon as he's able to, and asking of LoB to show he can prevent that.
The bouncing time-travel was a nightmare to read through. I feel like re-watching the movie Primer just to make sense of timelines again.
His offense is good between the burning off Surfer's skin and ultra diode ray.
Him commanding Mjolnir to absorb Cyborg Superman's...technopathy... and also after he had already entered the timestream? He leaves Mjolnir on the battlefield? This point keeps getting brought up, but it never makes sense or is proven in any way.
I think that technopathy hasn't been blocked and if LoB gets a chance, he could do it.
Leaving a time-dupe to stay there and sustain the time stop...that the other Kang did? This is a weird decision, why not stay there with the original if time-stop works? How would this 'time stopping' stuff take-over even happen, which version of Kang is this from?
Whenever time-travel is used in tourneys, the better explained, the greater chances of buying your stuff. Halfway through, it seemed as if "Kang-dupes" were randomly showing up out of nowhere to do tasks that 'mainstream' Kang was too busy doing, because he had to jump back into the timestream again, and it's unclear who is from where doing what, but for the random intervals of time you were specifying.
Also, you're saying "Kang dupes" a lot, but you're not using Doombots here. If one of them falls at any point in your plan, all of your plan falls, since they're the same character, at different points in time.
For Lob, by contrast, it took me about 1 min to read all of it, lol
- puts up a shield [that he never proves he can do in the entire match...?] and mentally takes control of Kang's...everything, effectively dismantling him.
- shows scans of Henshaw's durability against heat greater than the sun, which is good, but he had the green lantern rings there, so maybe it's iffy. Unclear if he had autoshields.
- literally doesn't show any defence without his rings for the remainder of the match. Confidence!
lol
The fight
So LoB shows Henshaw bullrushing Superman...with the yellow rings which, again, he doesn't have here. And a bullrush is..not evidence of the type of speed he needs.
I'm literally undecided even as I type this.
I think Bentley did a good job, for what he could do considering the kryptonite opponent
I think LoB could have a done a lot more of concisely proving Henshaw's speed gap or even touch the defense.
He also posts scans for ants, which out of the microverse say that Henshaw has Superman's genetic coding. 100% feats transferable? No.
But, at the same time, both of their actions are at the 'speed of thought'. And Kang 'no speed feats' vs 'Henshaw with kryptonian DNA' would, unfortunately for Bentley (who truly did a great job in this match) be in LoB's favor, who'd prevent him from teleporting into the timestream at the very least, and it's downhill from there.
It was a bad match-up, unfortunately.
Winner: LoB.
Post by Philosophia and I'd like to mention that the first verdict was from Smurph !
Good job LoB
