Originally posted by Putinbot1You've gotta know your streets in London, like. One wrong turn, that's all it takes.
Yeah, when I lived in New Cross and Peckham it was a similar situation. Always been like it really. The cut at Waterloo was a nightmare back in the day as was the Bullring where the Imax is now.
Originally posted by EmperordmbYeah, seems kind of weird, although I'm not 100% sure that was what the article was saying. The reason the violent crime rate is rising is because of less police presence on the streets.
Lemmeguess... cops are evil and the poor people would do better if we got rid of the cops in their areas so they wouldn't be oppressed...?
Originally posted by Scribble
It's just the police being there that we need. I rarely ever see bobbies on the beat, even on Camden High Street, AKA 'Murder Mile'. So people of a criminal persuasion feel like they can get away with doing their activities in broad daylight, and guess what? They can, and do, regularly.Most of the victims, and perpetrators, are young black British or British-Asian youths from deprived areas. It's so easy for them to get caught up in the culture, and with scant opportunities to do anything else, it sadly often ends up being the death of them. Of course, there are still plenty of white British youths involved in this – one of my best friends from primary school is in jail for a gangland stabbing murder – but they're generally youths who live in the ghettoised neighborhoods and mix with the heavily black and Asian populations.
For the record, I'm not in any way racist, I don't think this is a "black people problem", I'm just shooting it as I see it, and I see it every day. I don't know what can be done, but not cutting the shit out of our ****ing police force is a good start.
This post is insightful. I like it when you and Whirly give detailed explanations of British politics and crime like this. We Yanks are a bit too up our own asses with the shit going on over here so we often fall behind and cannot keep up with British politics like you do with American politics.
Anyway, well, that's a shame. I was hoping it wasn't a "not-white people" problem because I was wanting some research for my barely veiled racist pals.
Also, that's a bit odd that your Asian youth are causing all of this violent crime. In the US, our Asian populace is the most well-behaved demographic.
Originally posted by ScribbleI used to go to lectures right by the Bullring, hilarious positioning one of the oldest and most prestigious University of London Colleges Lecture Halls there.
You've gotta know your streets in London, like. One wrong turn, that's all it takes.
Yeah, seems kind of weird, although I'm not 100% sure that was what the article was saying. The reason the violent crime rate is rising is because of less police presence on the streets.
Originally posted by dadudemonPakistani Asians are the ones who have Gangs, as do the Turks, and lots of Eastern Europeans. When I was a boy the Yardies and Turks were a big problem. Yardies are West Indian.
This post is insightful. I like it when you and Whirly give detailed explanations of British politics and crime like this. We Yanks are a bit too up our own asses with the shit going on over here so we often fall behind and cannot keep up with British politics like you do with American politics.Anyway, well, that's a shame. I was hoping it wasn't a "not-white people" problem because I was wanting some research for my barely veiled racist pals.
Also, that's a bit odd that your Asian youth are causing all of this violent crime. In the US, our Asian populace is the most well-behaved demographic.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Pakistani Asians are the ones who have Gangs, as do the Turks, and lots of Eastern Europeans. When I was a boy the Yardies and Turks were a big problem. Yardies are West Indian.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Oh wait shit yeah, lol, they refer to the populace that came from Islamic nations as "Asian" to obfuscate their cultural identity in the UK media... I'm sure the Sihks, Indians, Chinese people, and Japanese people and the like aren't too fond of that
See, I had no idea. And, right, I'm sure some older Japanese are a bit pissed about the politically correct labeling going on.
Originally posted by dadudemonOne problem I've noticed with American politics is that it seems to really shape the way a lot of people look at politics in general. Take Fly, for example; he sees the whole of left-wing thinking as 'evil' because of how corrupt the Democrats are, and the like, and thinks that all right-wing thought is great, whilst having no knowledge of how deeply corrupt and damaging the Tories are (Labour isn't perfect, but up against the Tories, it's no contest). I like being able to expound a bit about my own country's politics, it's something I'm very passionate about, so I'm glad you get something good out of it.
This post is insightful. I like it when you and Whirly give detailed explanations of British politics and crime like this. We Yanks are a bit too up our own asses with the shit going on over here so we often fall behind and cannot keep up with British politics like you do with American politics.Anyway, well, that's a shame. I was hoping it wasn't a "not-white people" problem because I was wanting some research for my barely veiled racist pals.
Also, that's a bit odd that your Asian youth are causing all of this violent crime. In the US, our Asian populace is the most well-behaved demographic.
Yeah, it is a shame, and I don't fully understand it myself. I mean of course it's rooted in class (isn't everything?), but racists will take any stats at face value and use it for their agenda. A lot of young black and Asian kids just get dumped in shit schools in shit neighborhoods and it's entirely up to them to escape, but sometimes it just isn't viable. For every John Boyega or Daniel Kaluuya you get a hundred more young guys dead in the street from gang violence. It really gets me down, I tell ya.
By Asian I mean specifically Bangladeshi and Pakistani, not East-Asian races like Chinese, Korean, etc., just in case you were wondering.
Originally posted by EmperordmbWe don't do it to obfuscate anything, it's just the term that became the most commonly used. Primarily because of the major influx of Pakistani and Indian immigrants to Britain in the 1950s and 60s. It predates the modern age of major Islamic terrorism in the west.
Oh wait shit yeah, lol, they refer to the populace that came from Islamic nations as "Asian" to obfuscate their cultural identity in the UK media... I'm sure the Sihks, Indians, Chinese people, and Japanese people and the like aren't too fond of that
Originally posted by ScribbleAll true, I went to a shit school in a shit area called Deptford Green. I got lucky my parents moved South to Brighton and for the last 4 years of my schooling I went to a very good school, then I went back to where I came from for a lot of my higher education and early working life. I love London, but it is like all very big cities a crazy place.
One problem I've noticed with American politics is that it seems to really shape the way a lot of people look at politics in general. Take Fly, for example; he sees the whole of left-wing thinking as 'evil' because of how corrupt the Democrats are, and the like, and thinks that all right-wing thought is great, whilst having no knowledge of how deeply corrupt and damaging the Tories are (Labour isn't perfect, but up against the Tories, it's no contest). I like being able to expound a bit about my own country's politics, it's something I'm very passionate about, so I'm glad you get something good out of it.Yeah, it is a shame, and I don't fully understand it myself. I mean of course it's rooted in class (isn't everything?), but racists will take any stats at face value and use it for their agenda. A lot of young black and Asian kids just get dumped in shit schools in shit neighborhoods and it's entirely up to them to escape, but sometimes it just isn't viable. For every John Boyega or Daniel Kaluuya you get a hundred more young guys dead in the street from gang violence. It really gets me down, I tell ya.
By Asian I mean specifically Bangladeshi and Pakistani, not East-Asian races like Chinese, Korean, etc., just in case you were wondering.
Originally posted by Scribble
It's nothing to do with political correctness, lol. It goes back further than even the concept of political correctness.
Is it a British government thing as you mentioned in your last reply to me? In the US, we do something similar with our Census. Such as "Non-Hispanic White" and "Hispanic."
Arabs are part of the Non-Hispanic White label for our US Government stuff. It pisses people off. On both sides.
Originally posted by Putinbot1Yeah, my school was bloody awful, too. Not particularly violent, but as one of my friends described it, it was an "intellectual wasteland". Very poorly managed and they gave up on any student not completely excelling in all areas of study (including immigrant children who could barely speak, and thus were never taught, English).
All true, I went to a shit school in a shit area called Deptford Green. I got lucky my parents moved South to Brighton and for the last 4 years of my schooling I went to a very good school, then I went back to where I came from for a lot of my higher education and early working life. I love London, but it is like all very big cities a crazy place.
I got out of London at 16 and it did me the world of good. I'm back here now for the first time in 9 years and dear god, it's a ****ing chore, and depressing as hell to boot. Some parts of London are lovely, but you have to wade through a lot of shit to get to them.
Originally posted by dadudemonYeah, it's kind of a weird generalisation that came about due to that kind of thing, I believe. Just a catch-all "Asian" or "British Asian" label on the census, and then with subcategories for different countries. It's weird, so I understand you being confused before. I forget that 'Asian' is such an understood term here due to the large Indian / Pakistani / Bangladeshi population that we have.
Is it a British government thing as you mentioned in your last reply to me? In the US, we do something similar with our Census. Such as "Non-Hispanic White" and "Hispanic."Arabs are part of the Non-Hispanic White label for our US Government stuff. It pisses people off. On both sides.
While it is true there has been Police cuts, I don't think it is as big a factor as some people are letting on.
Statistically speaking, between September 2016 to September 2017, about 963 average Police officers have been laid off the Metropolitan Police. This may sound like a lot, however this is only a 3.07% decrease in the number of officers.
Of course there are other factors that have already been discussed partially here - poverty, demographics and immigration, drug trading and the likes.
However, I also think Police mismanagement is a factor to consider. Perhaps if the Metropolitan Police and other regional Police departments (e.g. Police Scotland) spent less time and resources on 'hate crimes' and speech that might cause offence, and instead invested more into actual violent crimes and property violations, the crime rate wouldn't be as high. Just food for thought.
It's interesting to read about perception from the UK about the US and vice versa, also how a lot of people think there are no ghettos here in England just because there are no kids driving around in low riders listening to Snoop Dogg, (IRL not this forum.) we've always been a violent people though, it's just that our media prefers to glamorize a lot of American gun crime perhaps because gun culture is alien to the majority of Brits.
Originally posted by samhain
It's interesting to read about perception from the UK about the US and vice versa, also how a lot of people think there are no ghettos here in England just because there are no kids driving around in low riders listening to Snoop Dogg, (IRL not this forum.) we've always been a violent people though, it's just that our media prefers to glamorize a lot of American gun crime perhaps because gun culture is alien to the majority of Brits.
Agreed Sam, our poor can't afford low riders.
Yeah, even if guns were legally available in this country most gang youths couldn't afford them on the scale that US gangs seem to need them. I know it's fiction but I've been rewatching Sons Of Anarchy lately and it seems like the One-Niners are buying AK-47's in the dozens every fortnight, British street gangs don't need that kind of constant supply, either that or they don't lose their guns as often.