What was your SAT/ACT score?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The LSAT is very strongly correlated with IQ; indeed, by some measures it's about as correlated with an IQ test as IQ tests are correlated with one another.

I would say it is weakly to moderately, but most certainly not "very strongly."

And because the LSAT can be studied for and test scores significantly improved (to the extreme), it does not make it quite an IQ analogue. With some people having genius IQs but getting average scores and some average people getting top scores, it can be seen why the LSAT cannot translate into an IQ analogue: it's not. An IQ test will not vary so much (but scores will improve, moderately, with frequent testing...but no where near what you can do with study and practice for an LSAT).

http://news.berkeley.edu/2012/08/22/intense-prep-for-law-school-admissions-test-alters-brain-structure/

I mean, you can actually study for and improve your score on an IQ test if you really wanted to (though it wouldn't actually make you smarter); that you can do so for the LSAT doesn't change the fact that it's fairly g-loaded and well correlated with IQ, though I'm too lazy to pull up the data right now.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I mean, you can actually study for and improve your score on an IQ test if you really wanted to (though it wouldn't actually make you smarter);

I addressed this already in my previous post.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
...that you can do so for the LSAT doesn't change the fact that it's fairly g-loaded and well correlated with IQ, though I'm too lazy to pull up the data right now.

Yes, yes it does. This is how IQ tests are supposed to work. Why do you think the S&B is on version 5?

You won't be able to "pull up the data" because no comprehensive research has been done on this.

It's also not hard to google this information.

Use google scholar:
https://scholar.google.com/

Here are the results:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C37&q=lsat+and+iq+correlation&btnG=

Originally posted by dadudemon
I addressed this already in my previous post.

Eh, I haven't seen reason to think that if there were an industry around gaming IQ tests like there is for gaming the LSAT, you wouldn't see people's scores improve. We know that you can raise someone's performance on an IQ test pretty non-trivially - it just won't actually make them smarter.

Yes, yes it does. This is how IQ tests are supposed to work.

Lol, most of those articles are behind paywalls. In either case, IIRC it's been found that untrained LSAT scores are about as correlated with IQ tests as different IQ tests are to one another, which is part of the reason why societies like MENSA accept the LSAT. This isn't too surprising given the nature of the test (lots of abstract reasoning and logic puzzles, some of which you may literally find on IQ tests).

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Eh, I haven't seen reason to think that if there were an industry around gaming IQ tests like there is for gaming the LSAT, you wouldn't see people's scores improve. We know that you can raise someone's performance on an IQ test pretty non-trivially - it just won't actually make them smarter.

That's odd to say because crystallized intelligence really doesn't change much after adulthood even if you train for it. It's probably because you cannot improve your IQ very much compared to ...say...an LSAT score.

Training to complete a task is how you game the LSAT. This is why average IQ people can get top scores on the LSAT with enough study. You cannot magically make yourself a genius, however.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Lol, most of those articles are behind paywalls. In either case, IIRC it's been found that untrained LSAT scores are about as correlated with IQ tests as different IQ tests are to one another, which is part of the reason why societies like MENSA accept the LSAT. This isn't too surprising given the nature of the test (lots of abstract reasoning and logic puzzles, some of which you may literally find on IQ tests).

Let me know when you find research. I already posted an article that stated no comprehensive research has been done on this.

Interestingly Crystalised Intelligence under some circumstances can change drastically. You might want to look at the metadata on "the knowledge", the effects of learning all the Roads in the City of London on Cognitive processes, not only does it seem to rewire the brain regarding remembering things, but it also appears to improve pattern solving and cause and effect linkage. Truly fascinating stuff.