Originally posted by Emperordmb
My time going through puberty aside, I have not really been interested in pursuing sexual relationships with women I did not feel anything for emotionally, and in my adult life I have only pursued two women due to my sexual attraction and emotional interest in them, I got rejected by the first, moved on within a week and am still friends with her, and I have not yet asked out the second.I don't have a particularly detailed or lengthy history of rejection, and my approach to sex is one that I've had since before being rejected and is not something I've simply contrived to shield my self-image from shame.
So you are zero for two.
You know everyone is just giving you a hard time, right? No one thinks you are an incel like Kurk.
Originally posted by EmperordmbTo be fair Dmb just lighten up a bit and reduce the e-hitler shit. You take stuff far too seriously.
I mean I'm not really outraged or anything, just explaining in case anyone is interested.There's usually a change in the tone of my posts when I'm genuinely aggravated that requires a lot more use of the KMC censor algorithm thing.
Well DDM says it wasn't meant to be bait so I will chime in along with DMD
Originally posted by dadudemon
Are your stances based on the issue that you two cannot form a sexual relationship with the opposite sex or are your positions based on a mature, healthy, set of experiences that have led you to conclude that this is an effective way for relationships to optimally operate?
I cannot speak for the first part of your question as I have never attempted to form a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, unlike DMD.
I have been approached by females throughout middle and high-school. I will rattle out some of the instances I've had (not all of them were sexual in nature, some were just friendly gestures by females)
1. 7th grade: Two different females (best friends) stalking me over the period of 6 months. Finding my address and passing by in front of it. Stalking my social media at the time and constantly posting pictures of me and random shit. One time they approached my parents and said shit I'm glad I wasn't around to hear. They later would tell me "Oh, Kurk, your parents liked me! Now we can marry and have kids!". Multiple hugs. This shit went on for the entirety of that year until they finally figured out I'm an asshat and wasn't interested in putting my noodle in their egg-basket. Now I can't blame these girls too much as they were going through puberty and likely experiencing hormonal stuff.
9th grade: One chick approached me after school and asked me to the homecoming dance. I said no. They later slandered me, and that's a whole other incident.
10th grade: Freshman girl took a keen interest in me for that year. Multiple instances suggesting she was at the very least probing me. E.g: sending her friends to probe me, ask indirect questions about her trying to get my opinions, etc. She would randomly try to hug me in the hallways, sit on my lap, repeatedly and randomly say "I love you!" (I'm assuming this is a friendly girl thing they do in general, not necessarily romantic). This person asked me to prom, again I rejected. After that year she grew up and developed more of a friendly attitude with me.
12th grade: Somebody I didn't know too well made an elaborate promposal. I told them to f*ck off. They teared up. One of my teachers called me a d1ck. The day of prom some desperate chick whose recently went through a breakup casually asked me to go with them. I once again told them no. Unfortunately this person's father, who I had a professional relationship ship, found out and gave me the silent treatment for quite some time since his daughter ended up going to senior prom alone lol.
Bonus: Again in senior year I had some gay dude who I was just getting friendly with probe me for a short period of time. Again, it entailed sitting on my crotch and trying to lay down on me. Fortunately he quickly found out I wasn't interested in KingJoker's stuff.
So yeah, I'm a piece of shit with women; not an involuntary virgin. I would like to think that I possess the capacity to form at least a superficial relationship with a member of the opposite sex if I wanted to. So to answer your question, no, my opinions are not based on my non-existent inability to form a relationship with a woman. Now that we have that cleared up, I can address the second part of your question.
If you had asked me 3 years ago or so, I probably would have given you an answer akin to DMD's. However, in more recent years I've begun to suppress those beliefs in favor of objectification of women. Now I have to say that I have great respect for women who possess masculine personalities (e.g rationality, stoicism); that is why I enjoy Raven so much. Hell, one of my comp sci profs is a female and I bend my knee to her.
I accept that everyone has a different set of values; what works for some doesn't work for others and vice versa. I don't mind promiscuity anymore (aside from the public health aspect of it). Honestly some people can't manage long-term commitments like marriage (there is scientific evidence that indicates evolution-wise some men are prone to promiscuity, others to long-term commitments to ensure successful procreation). Look at the divorce rates. There's no reason to subject children to dysfunctional parents because of what's socially acceptable or not.
So in brief, no, I personally haven't had any experiences to base my opinion on. I support polygamy and monogomy and alike. I'd rather have the state, a corporation, or other third-party raise a productive member of society than leave them in the care of a dysfunctional match-up. I don't care if it's two gay guys, a single male/female, etc. As long as the kid grows up to be intelligent and contributes to society I couldn't care less who did the raising as long as it was done effectively. I don't think DMD's morals should be shoved down the throats of people who don't want it. It kinda goes against his libertarian beliefs, doesn't it?
Now as for the biological implications of kids growing up with multiple partners, no father figures, etc, that's a whole other issue in itself.
Originally posted by Kurk
I don't think DMD's morals should be shoved down the throats of people who don't want it. It kinda goes against his libertarian beliefs, doesn't it?
Originally posted by Kurk
Well DDM says it wasn't meant to be bait so I will chime in along with DMDI cannot speak for the first part of your question as I have never attempted to form a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, unlike DMD.
I have been approached by females throughout middle and high-school. I will rattle out some of the instances I've had (not all of them were sexual in nature, some were just friendly gestures by females)
1. 7th grade: Two different females (best friends) stalking me over the period of 6 months. Finding my address and passing by in front of it. Stalking my social media at the time and constantly posting pictures of me and random shit. One time they approached my parents and said shit I'm glad I wasn't around to hear. They later would tell me "Oh, Kurk, your parents liked me! Now we can marry and have kids!". Multiple hugs. This shit went on for the entirety of that year until they finally figured out I'm an asshat and wasn't interested in putting my noodle in their egg-basket. Now I can't blame these girls too much as they were going through puberty and likely experiencing hormonal stuff.
9th grade: One chick approached me after school and asked me to the homecoming dance. I said no. They later slandered me, and that's a whole other incident.
10th grade: Freshman girl took a keen interest in me for that year. Multiple instances suggesting she was at the very least probing me. E.g: sending her friends to probe me, ask indirect questions about her trying to get my opinions, etc. She would randomly try to hug me in the hallways, sit on my lap, repeatedly and randomly say "I love you!" (I'm assuming this is a friendly girl thing they do in general, not necessarily romantic). This person asked me to prom, again I rejected. After that year she grew up and developed more of a friendly attitude with me.
12th grade: Somebody I didn't know too well made an elaborate promposal. I told them to f*ck off. They teared up. One of my teachers called me a d1ck. The day of prom some desperate chick whose recently went through a breakup casually asked me to go with them. I once again told them no. Unfortunately this person's father, who I had a professional relationship ship, found out and gave me the silent treatment for quite some time since his daughter ended up going to senior prom alone lol.
Bonus: Again in senior year I had some gay dude who I was just getting friendly with probe me for a short period of time. Again, it entailed sitting on my crotch and trying to lay down on me. Fortunately he quickly found out I wasn't interested in KingJoker's stuff.
So yeah, I'm a piece of shit with women; not an involuntary virgin. I would like to think that I possess the capacity to form at least a superficial relationship with a member of the opposite sex if I wanted to. So to answer your question, no, my opinions are not based on my non-existent inability to form a relationship with a woman. Now that we have that cleared up, I can address the second part of your question.
If you had asked me 3 years ago or so, I probably would have given you an answer akin to DMD's. However, in more recent years I've begun to suppress those beliefs in favor of objectification of women. Now I have to say that I have great respect for women who possess masculine personalities (e.g rationality, stoicism); that is why I enjoy Raven so much. Hell, one of my comp sci profs is a female and I bend my knee to her.
I accept that everyone has a different set of values; what works for some doesn't work for others and vice versa. I don't mind promiscuity anymore (aside from the public health aspect of it). Honestly some people can't manage long-term commitments like marriage (there is scientific evidence that indicates evolution-wise some men are prone to promiscuity, others to long-term commitments to ensure successful procreation). Look at the divorce rates. There's no reason to subject children to dysfunctional parents because of what's socially acceptable or not.
So in brief, no, I personally haven't had any experiences to base my opinion on. I support polygamy and monogomy and alike. I'd rather have the state, a corporation, or other third-party raise a productive member of society than leave them in the care of a dysfunctional match-up. I don't care if it's two gay guys, a single male/female, etc. As long as the kid grows up to be intelligent and contributes to society I couldn't care less who did the raising as long as it was done effectively. I don't think DMD's morals should be shoved down the throats of people who don't want it. It kinda goes against his libertarian beliefs, doesn't it?
Now as for the biological implications of kids growing up with multiple partners, no father figures, etc, that's a whole other issue in itself.
edit: wow I didn't even get to the support of the objectification of women holy shit
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm going to address this honestly instead of lying in an attempt to keep you from jumping to certain conclusions.I am a virgin, but no I did not adopt my stance to maintain some illusion of choice after a repeated series of sexual rejections.
My time going through puberty aside, I have not really been interested in pursuing sexual relationships with women I did not feel anything for emotionally, and in my adult life I have only pursued two women due to my sexual attraction and emotional interest in them, I got rejected by the first, moved on within a week and am still friends with her, and I have not yet asked out the second.
I don't have a particularly detailed or lengthy history of rejection, and my approach to sex is one that I've had since before being rejected and is not something I've simply contrived to shield my self-image from shame.
That is the honest truth, please if you can restrain yourself from doing your usual mindreading shtick to try and presume an understanding of my motives or character that you simply do not have.
This is admirable. This makes me like you more. As Robtard said, it's nice that you do not have hate for women while still holding the positions you do. As long as you maintain these morals (and don't sidetrack into the ragey angry "nice guy" persona), I think you're going to have an amazing relationship with a gal one day.
Also, forgive Adam_PoE for his rather abrasive position: he's a very attractive man in real life who has never had a problem finding a date. Your position, to him, probably seems like you're compensating or in denial.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I mean I'm not really outraged or anything, just explaining in case anyone is interested.
I was and I appreciated it. 👆
Originally posted by Kurk
Well DDM says it wasn't meant to be bait so I will chime in along with DMDI cannot speak for the first part of your question as I have never attempted to form a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, unlike DMD.
I have been approached by females throughout middle and high-school. I will rattle out some of the instances I've had (not all of them were sexual in nature, some were just friendly gestures by females)
1. 7th grade: Two different females (best friends) stalking me over the period of 6 months. Finding my address and passing by in front of it. Stalking my social media at the time and constantly posting pictures of me and random shit. One time they approached my parents and said shit I'm glad I wasn't around to hear. They later would tell me "Oh, Kurk, your parents liked me! Now we can marry and have kids!". Multiple hugs. This shit went on for the entirety of that year until they finally figured out I'm an asshat and wasn't interested in putting my noodle in their egg-basket. Now I can't blame these girls too much as they were going through puberty and likely experiencing hormonal stuff.
9th grade: One chick approached me after school and asked me to the homecoming dance. I said no. They later slandered me, and that's a whole other incident.
10th grade: Freshman girl took a keen interest in me for that year. Multiple instances suggesting she was at the very least probing me. E.g: sending her friends to probe me, ask indirect questions about her trying to get my opinions, etc. She would randomly try to hug me in the hallways, sit on my lap, repeatedly and randomly say "I love you!" (I'm assuming this is a friendly girl thing they do in general, not necessarily romantic). This person asked me to prom, again I rejected. After that year she grew up and developed more of a friendly attitude with me.
12th grade: Somebody I didn't know too well made an elaborate promposal. I told them to f*ck off. They teared up. One of my teachers called me a d1ck. The day of prom some desperate chick whose recently went through a breakup casually asked me to go with them. I once again told them no. Unfortunately this person's father, who I had a professional relationship ship, found out and gave me the silent treatment for quite some time since his daughter ended up going to senior prom alone lol.
Bonus: Again in senior year I had some gay dude who I was just getting friendly with probe me for a short period of time. Again, it entailed sitting on my crotch and trying to lay down on me. Fortunately he quickly found out I wasn't interested in KingJoker's stuff.
So yeah, I'm a piece of shit with women; not an involuntary virgin. I would like to think that I possess the capacity to form at least a superficial relationship with a member of the opposite sex if I wanted to. So to answer your question, no, my opinions are not based on my non-existent inability to form a relationship with a woman. Now that we have that cleared up, I can address the second part of your question.
If you had asked me 3 years ago or so, I probably would have given you an answer akin to DMD's. However, in more recent years I've begun to suppress those beliefs in favor of objectification of women. Now I have to say that I have great respect for women who possess masculine personalities (e.g rationality, stoicism); that is why I enjoy Raven so much. Hell, one of my comp sci profs is a female and I bend my knee to her.
I accept that everyone has a different set of values; what works for some doesn't work for others and vice versa. I don't mind promiscuity anymore (aside from the public health aspect of it). Honestly some people can't manage long-term commitments like marriage (there is scientific evidence that indicates evolution-wise some men are prone to promiscuity, others to long-term commitments to ensure successful procreation). Look at the divorce rates. There's no reason to subject children to dysfunctional parents because of what's socially acceptable or not.
So in brief, no, I personally haven't had any experiences to base my opinion on. I support polygamy and monogomy and alike. I'd rather have the state, a corporation, or other third-party raise a productive member of society than leave them in the care of a dysfunctional match-up. I don't care if it's two gay guys, a single male/female, etc. As long as the kid grows up to be intelligent and contributes to society I couldn't care less who did the raising as long as it was done effectively. I don't think DMD's morals should be shoved down the throats of people who don't want it. It kinda goes against his libertarian beliefs, doesn't it?
Now as for the biological implications of kids growing up with multiple partners, no father figures, etc, that's a whole other issue in itself.
People will shit on you for you posting your experiences. But we must keep in mind that you were a teenage boy awkwardly trying to find your way in the world. You were a dick and an asshat in some situations. Also, the girls were the same as you: teenagers awkwardly figuring out how to operate in the world.
Thanks for sharing your stories. I have no advice for you because you'll make a mockery of it or just call it internet armchair psychology. You need lots of advice and direction, though. 😐
Originally posted by dadudemon
People will shit on you for you posting your experiences. But we must keep in mind that you were a teenage boy awkwardly trying to find your way in the world. You were a dick and an asshat in some situations. Also, the girls were the same as you: teenagers awkwardly figuring out how to operate in the world.Thanks for sharing your stories. I have no advice for you because you'll make a mockery of it or just call it internet armchair psychology. You need lots of advice and direction, though. 😐
Be his "daddy"
Originally posted by Kurk
If you had asked me 3 years ago or so, I probably would have given you an answer akin to DMD's. However, in more recent years I've begun to suppress those beliefs in favor of objectification of women. Now I have to say that I have great respect for women who possess masculine personalities (e.g rationality, stoicism); that is why I enjoy Raven so much. Hell, one of my comp sci profs is a female and I bend my knee to her.
So what you're saying is you're into futanari babes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, I strongly support objectifying men and women. Such as, "Wow, that girl's ass is amazing." Or "dude has sexy abs." Who cares? We are sexual creatures. Objectify away. Just do not take it to the next step of catcalling or assault.
What’s the next step of catcalling to you?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
So what you're saying is you're into futanari babes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, I strongly support objectifying men and women. Such as, "Wow, that girl's ass is amazing." Or "dude has sexy abs." Who cares? We are sexual creatures. Objectify away. Just do not take it to the next step of catcalling or assault.
I agree that catcalling isn't cool though.
Originally posted by dadudemonIf you try convincing me with rationale and not emotions/morals and/or uneducated opinions. I'll probably take what you say into serious consideration.
Also, I strongly support objectifying men and women. Such as, "Wow, that girl's ass is amazing." Or "dude has sexy abs." Who cares? We are sexual creatures. Objectify away. Just do not take it to the next step of catcalling or assault.
Originally posted by SquallX
What’s the next step of catcalling to you?
The next step, which is over the line, is catcalling. Perhaps long, creepy, and awkward staring is also the next step.
I catcall my sweetheart. Wink. Wiggle my eyebrows at her...but we are engaged and plan to stay together our entire lives. When she bends over to pick up something, I grab her hips and smack my balls against her butt like we are grinding at a club. The difference is I am in a committed relationship. You don't have to be in a relaitonship to do these kinds of things. There could be a mutual understanding and desire for each other.