President Trump authorizes strikes on Syria (4/13/18)

The US Regime, it's lies, hypocrisy and propaganda.

Ten commandments of propaganda

1 We do not want war.
2 The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3 The enemy is the face of the devil.
4 We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5 The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
6 The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7 We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8 Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9 Our cause is sacred. "The ages-old 'God Bless America' is playing once more."
10 All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors and conspiracy theorists.

Worked in Vietnam, Irak and Libya.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The US Regime, it's lies, hypocrisy and propaganda.

Ten commandments of propaganda

1 We do not want war.
2 The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3 The enemy is the face of the devil.
4 We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5 The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
6 The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7 We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8 Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9 Our cause is sacred. "The ages-old 'God Bless America' is playing once more."
10 All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors and conspiracy theorists.

Worked in Vietnam, Irak and Libya.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Iraq? Otherwise I agree.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Weapons of mass destruction. It was a lie, there were none.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Very true, however, it's Iraq, not Irak. Which is why, I agree apart from Irak.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Personally I still think it's awfully convenient that Assad would choose to gas his own people right after Trump says he wants to pull out, in such a way as to almost guarantee he'll be pressured into renewing conflict by the generals who never want to leave. It's just plain idiotic. Afaik it still hasn't been confirmed at all who carried the attack out.

I'm not saying that the US military orchestrated it, but it really is too damn perfect.

No, it's been confirmed this morning. They found some of the nerve gas molecules and the larger ones can function a "marker" and it serves as a signature for the US Military. The nerve gas used is a solution of multiple, not just a single attack vector: this is why it is so deadly, effective, and prohibited in the Geneva Protocol. So some of the molecules in it can be manufactured in such a way that a unique "signature" can be quickly identified. Russian nerve gas has something similar and it is quite easy to tell the two apart even for the some exact 'concoction.'

CNN did a write-up on it this morning:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/pol...ikes/index.html

Likely, there is a justification from the Trump administration on this and it will be spun to somehow make it not so obvious...but I cannot see a way out of this.

You almost scared the shit out of me there. The shitstorm that would ensue if that were true would be unfathomable.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Weapons of mass destruction. It was a lie, there were none.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/wmd

Title 18 U.S.C. §2332a defines weapons of mass destruction (WMD) as:

Any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas, including the following: a bomb; grenade; rocket having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than four ounces; missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce; mine; or device similar to any of the previously described devices;
Any weapons that is designed or intend to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
Any weapon involving a disease organism; and
Any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life.

Turns out, there were plenty of specific cases, even reported by the MSM, of WMDs in Iraq:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0

Five years after President George W. Bush sent troops into Iraq, these soldiers had entered an expansive but largely secret chapter of America’s long and bitter involvement in Iraq.

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

So there's go that narrative. Should be closed and people (which includes me), need to admit we were wrong about the WMDs in Iraq. Turns out there were and there were plenty. Tons and tons of them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You almost scared the shit out of me there. The shitstorm that would ensue if that were true would be unfathomable.

It's not as though my post was unfounded in actual science. The idea of "signatory molecules" comes from GMO DNA sequences that are signatures from large corporations such as Monsanto so they can tell if their crops have been stolen or bred with other crops (this has won Monsanto cases and is the subject of a documentary):

https://www.jove.com/science-education/10044/testing-for-genetically-modified-foods

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
In Germany we write Irak, sorry mea culpa.

https://op-talk.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/who-was-right-about-w-m-d-s-in-iraq/

The weapons were not part of massive, active stockpiles that the United States set out to destroy by waging a war that would last eight years, take thousands of lives and leave Iraq in chaos. They were “remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West,” Mr. Chivers writes.

Perhaps the narrative should be reworded for technicality, but the message remains the same.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Weapons of mass destruction. It was a lie, there were none.

So all those SCUD Rocket they had were just party poppers?

So sad to see the Left still LYING about what really happens in the real world.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
https://op-talk.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/who-was-right-about-w-m-d-s-in-iraq/

Perhaps the narrative should be reworded for technicality, but the message remains the same.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
https://op-talk.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/who-was-right-about-w-m-d-s-in-iraq/

Perhaps the narrative should be reworded for technicality, but the message remains the same.

There's nothing about this being a technicality:

...American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs...

And the fact that many people did not come forward to admit they were wrong about the WMDs, including many news organizations and politicians, and the systematic suppression of these facts, should disturb you.

This is one of those circumstances where, even in the face of absurd amounts of evidence, you still try to side-step, deny, or play words games. That's lame as f*ck and it is quite telling of the kind of person you are (a lame, partisan, pile). 👆

This is why almost everything you post cannot be taken seriously as almost none of it comes with an honest impetus.

It's quite simple:

Were there WMDs in Iraq that Saddam Hussein's regime was sitting on, stockpiling, and refusing to give up (requirements from losing the Golf War)?

Yes. So very many it is absurd. Was this the exact set of circumstances which led the US to take action against Hussein's regime for violating Roslution 1441? Yes. He was uncooperative with inspectors. He was supposed to 1. Cease all production. 2. Give up all WMDs and WMD precursors.

He didn't cooperate with #2. Hence the often stated "Hussein is hiding WMDs." And he was.

It is your job, if you want to be honest, to correct every person who says we never found the WMDs in Iraq. We did. There were literally tons and tons of them.

Nice to see the Lefty Crew try to DEFLECT this issue off of the Real Villains of the Piece ...aka MESSIAH OBAMA AND His Lefty Pals! Like the Press.

Videos of Obama and Others Saying Syria Cleared of Chemical Weapons

Well done double d, you regurgitated what you said last while failing to acknowledge the context I added, adding a bit of ad hominem to avoid the argument.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Personally I still think it's awfully convenient that Assad would choose to gas his own people right after Trump says he wants to pull out, in such a way as to almost guarantee he'll be pressured into renewing conflict by the generals who never want to leave. It's just plain idiotic. Afaik it still hasn't been confirmed at all who carried the attack out.

I'm not saying that the US military orchestrated it, but it really is too damn perfect.

I agree. Assad had no reason at all to do this.

Originally posted by dadudemon
There's nothing about this being a technicality:

And the fact that many people did not come forward to admit they were wrong about the WMDs, including many news organizations and politicians, and the systematic suppression of these facts, should disturb you.

This is one of those circumstances where, even in the face of absurd amounts of evidence, you still try to side-step, deny, or play words games. That's lame as f*ck and it is quite telling of the kind of person you are (a lame, partisan, pile). 👆

This is why almost everything you post cannot be taken seriously as almost none of it comes with an honest impetus.

It's quite simple:

Were there WMDs in Iraq that Saddam Hussein's regime was sitting on, stockpiling, and refusing to give up (requirements from losing the Golf War)?

Yes. So very many it is absurd. Was this the exact set of circumstances which led the US to take action against Hussein's regime for violating Roslution 1441? Yes. He was uncooperative with inspectors. He was supposed to 1. Cease all production. 2. Give up all WMDs and WMD precursors.

He didn't cooperate with #2. Hence the often stated "Hussein is hiding WMDs." And he was.

It is your job, if you want to be honest, to correct every person who says we never found the WMDs in Iraq. We did. There were literally tons and tons of them.

So why did they suppress it?

To slander the other side? That's down the rabbit hole conspiracy theory stuff.. We'd need to believe the press is basically a propaganda machine for the Feds. And that WOULD be scary..

The WMD's that we went to war for in Iraq were supposed to be nukes that Saddam had been building or built. Hence the whole 'yellow cake uranium' start and what lead us eventually to war. If the target WMDs had been found, Bush would have been on camera doing back flips and rightfully so.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Well done double d, you regurgitated what you said last while failing to acknowledge the context I added, adding a bit of ad hominem to avoid the argument.

No, you simply stated just some of the things I already stated and then tried to marginalize the significance.

And no you just avoided addressing anything I said with you psuedo-tantrum, above.

Originally posted by cdtm
So why did they suppress it?

To slander the other side? That's down the rabbit hole conspiracy theory stuff.. We'd need to believe the press is basically a propaganda machine for the Feds. And that WOULD be scary..

This is not a conspiracy. The narrative that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was hammered and beaten into everyone's minds so much that it's something they just want to quietly ignore. Also, the anti-Bush bias is strong.

Some of these organizations quietly rescinded their positions, such as NYT. An online article here, a brief 5-10 second spot in the mews recap, etc.

Hell, we have documentaries about how the Media was used as a weapon to get us into Iraq when we "knew" there were no WMDs to not find when there were actually stockpiled WMDs that Saddam wouldn't let us in to find and dispose of.

Here's the documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFkqtxTJPoU