Can we use his knowledge of advanced force techniques/sith knowledge as a partial indicator of his power?
I know there are disagreements over how much knowledge/skill with the force plays into a user's power, but it's something.
He knows how to mitigate the effects of poison.
He has access to ancient Sith books that Plagueis deems a waste of time (whatever that means)
Pyrokinesis
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As he grew stronger in the dark side, the profane world became a stranger and stranger place, swept by currents he’d had no previous awareness of and populated by vaguely outlined life-forms he saw as magnitudes of the Force.
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Regardless, eight long years later, Plagueis remained convinced that he was on the verge of absolute success. The evidence was in his own increased midi-chlorian count; and in the power he sensed in Sidious when he had finally returned to Sojourn.
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Sidious was continuing to become more powerful as a Sith and as a politician, his most intricate schemes meeting with little or no resistance.
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But Palpatine was grateful, for the Force had slowly groomed him into a being of dark power and granted him a secret identity, as well.
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Sidious knew that his own powers had increased tenfold over the decades, but he couldn’t be certain he had learned all of Plagueis’ secrets - “his sorcerer’s ways,” as the Sun Guards referred to them - including the ability to prevent beings from dying.
Darth Plagueis
His continuous increment in power is regurgitated a lot, but the last statement is the one from which his exact growth can be quantified. TPM Sidious = 10x 52BBY Sidious
How are you enjoying the book so far, btw?
Originally posted by AzrongerI'm enjoying it quite a bit. Hego Damask is an interesting, well-written character. Seeing him and Palpatine work together in the shadows brings warm feelings to my heart 🙂 .
As he grew stronger in the dark side, the profane world became a stranger and stranger place, swept by currents he’d had no previous awareness of and populated by vaguely outlined life-forms he saw as magnitudes of the Force.[...]
Regardless, eight long years later, Plagueis remained convinced that he was on the verge of absolute success. The evidence was in his own increased midi-chlorian count; and in the power he sensed in Sidious when he had finally returned to Sojourn.
[...]
Sidious was continuing to become more powerful as a Sith and as a politician, his most intricate schemes meeting with little or no resistance.
[...]
But Palpatine was grateful, for the Force had slowly groomed him into a being of dark power and granted him a secret identity, as well.
[...]
Sidious knew that his own powers had increased tenfold over the decades, but he couldn’t be certain he had learned all of Plagueis’ secrets - “his sorcerer’s ways,” as the Sun Guards referred to them - including the ability to prevent beings from dying.
Darth Plagueis
His continuous increment in power is regurgitated a lot, but the last statement is the one from which his exact growth can be quantified. TPM Sidious = 10x 52BBY Sidious
How are you enjoying the book so far, btw?
Originally posted by Kurk
Can we use his knowledge of advanced force techniques/sith knowledge as a partial indicator of his power?I know there are disagreements over how much knowledge/skill with the force plays into a user's power, but it's something.
He knows how to mitigate the effects of poison.
He has access to ancient Sith books that Plagueis deems a waste of time (whatever that means)
Pyrokinesis
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Aside from the book thing, the other 2 are pretty basic techniques that Force Adepts can do.
Originally posted by ZenwolfRidding oneself of poison is a basic skill? I'd like to see evidence for that.
Aside from the book thing, the other 2 are pretty basic techniques that Force Adepts can do.
I can't remember the exact source, but I've heard that pyrokinesis is a very difficult technique to use as the user must make the fire by rubbing together air molecules to create heat. The larger the flame, the more difficult it is to control as the wielder must both control the boundaries of the inferno as well as continually focus on creating the necessary kinetic energy for all the air-molecules in the inferno's area.
I haven't reached the part where Palpatine kills Pax Teem yet, but my understanding is that he lit up a pretty decently sized room.
Originally posted by Kurk
Ridding oneself of poison is a basic skill? I'd like to see evidence for that.I can't remember the exact source, but I've heard that pyrokinesis is a very difficult technique to use as the user must make the fire by rubbing together air molecules to create heat. The larger the flame, the more difficult it is to control as the wielder must both control the boundaries of the inferno as well as continually focus on creating the necessary kinetic energy for all the air-molecules in the inferno's area.
I haven't reached the part where Palpatine kills Pax Teem yet, but my understanding is that he lit up a pretty decently sized room.
Force Treatment: You are considered trained in the Treat Injury skill. You can administer first aid, treat disease, treat poison and treat radiation without the requisite medpac or med kit.
Fortified Body: The Force shields you against aliments, toxins and radiation poisoning, making you immune to disease, poison and radiation.
- Taken from Star Wars Core Rulebook(Under Force Adept)
Force adepts use The Force to survive on fringe worlds, and they often have signature Force powers that they use particularly well.
- Taken from Star Wars Core Rulebook(Under Force Adept)
Curato Salva is a family of abilities that emphasizes the healing of self. As a Jedi Knight you will be expected to master this facet of Control to heal your own injuries, to flush out mind-altering drugs from your bloodstream, to locate and burn out clusters of disease, to nullify the effects of poison and to reduce your perception of pain when true healing is not possible in the moment. The Jedi hibernation trance is the most extreme position and can be used as a last resort to sustain vital signs.- Taken from Jedi Path
Jedi also master this kind of thing.
Far as Pyrokensis, I mean Jadru was able to use it and she wasn't even formally trained, just living on Endor.
There was also Dresdema the Nightsister.
I mean sure, the size and control might be different, but it's still doable by Force Adepts in some form.
Jedi have also shown to do it. That and they also train on air molecules to practice their TK, molecular level TK is something that standard Jedi can do, they even have to assemble their lightsabers at the molecular level.
As far as Pyrokinesis goes tho, I think having this one obscure Endor pal mastering it is more of a sign of her insane innate talent at the art (like Horns and Force Absorb), her own impressive self-learning ability and uniqueness. It's not that the technique is simple because she mastered it; she is impressive because she mastered it, not the other way around.
Totally agreed on all the others.
Originally posted by JKBart
As far as Pyrokinesis goes tho, I think having this one obscure Endor pal mastering it is more of a sign of her insane innate talent at the art (like Horns and Force Absorb), her own impressive self-learning ability and uniqueness. It's not that the technique is simple because she mastered it; she is impressive because she mastered it, not the other way around.Totally agreed on all the others.
Well there's also the Nightsister who had it.
Also Thok and Gorc.
But I mean even if you don't wanna take it as something that Force Adepts can do(obviously by experimentation, not saying it just comes to them). Then ok, but I don't recall it being noted anywhere that it was something difficult.
That and given a Jedi's training, Pyrokensis shouldn't be too difficult either at least at a basic level.
I'm not sure if Kurk is meaning Palps showing is something huge or what though.
Originally posted by NewGuy01nah lol. Even though he's a fictional character, and even though I've conditioned myself into near-sociopathy, Sidious's character in this book perturbed me. Thinking about how 100% genuine psychopaths just like him exist in our own world, often in similarly powerful positions of power, is rather disturbing. I can relate to his frustrations with his father, but seeing how he seemingly brutally murdered his entire family and ship's crew without any conflict of emotions or remorse was spine-chilling. His ability to calmly remain in character even with the threat of death close by and his relationship with Plagueis being exposed by Pax Teem is...impressive. A true psycho indeed.
probably "omg sidious is just like me lol"
Plagueis, on the other hand, I took a liking to immediately. The first thing to really pop out to me was his practicality and lack of malice; specifically seen with the freighter incident. Even though he's a Sith, he's not completely reckless and rage-filled. We see this when he chooses to go out of his way to try and negotiate with the crew of the ship to give him voyage to Muunilinst. Only after threatening him does he resort to violence, ultimate killing all the crew. As a bonus, I like how he took on the medical droid as a life-long servant, despite him presumably being able to purchase for more advanced technology if he wanted.
Magister Damask continued to appeal to me with his well rounded interest in various subjects, including his scientific research and extensive data-bases on biology and midichlorians. To top it off, he's a well-respected businessman and Machiavellian. His methodology about progressing the Grand Plan through political rather than brute force was just what the Sith needed. An excellent character who has made my top 10 list.
(the only thing I didn't like about him was when he ate the beating heart of some warrior he killed...eww...that's so Savage-like. Not at all sophisticated)
@Zenwolf
Ah okay then. Force healing seems pretty dry cut, but I guess the intensity of the pyrokinesis matters. Ditto what JKBart said.
Originally posted by Kurk
I'm enjoying it quite a bit. Hego Damask is an interesting, well-written character. Seeing him and Palpatine work together in the shadows brings warm feelings to my heart 🙂 .
its my absolute favourite Star Wars novel; ive read it three times now and its just as good every time ive read it
What I hate the most is that Luceno wrote it in such a way just to suck up Lucas' characters. I also disagree with how Anakin's birth was supposed to occur.
This is how it should have been:
1. Palpatine becomes Damask's apprentice
2. Palpatine's ways of acting like a Sith are appalling Damask
3. Damask decides to replace Palpatine by influencing the midi-chloians to create life
4. Palpatine is able to peer through his intentions
5. Hego goes on Tatooine, kidnaps Shmi and directly Force inseminates her(by placing his hands on Shmi's belly and modifying the natural properties of the midi-chlorians - making them to act like man seed) to create the perfect Dark Side being/apprentice to replace Palpatine. Then, he Force erases Shmi's memories of the said-so events.
6. Hego returns on Coruscant. Takes a nap. Palpatine Force conceals himself and kills Hego.
7. 'Ironic. He could save others from death. But not himself."