What's up with ICE?

Farm owner claims that Ice
-> Investigated private property without a warrant
-> Violently arrested a legal immigrant
-> Attacked the farmer
-> Destroyed video evidence

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/upstate_ny_farmer_says_ice_officers_stormed_his_farm_without_a_warrant_cuffed_hi.html
http://www.newsweek.com/ice-raid-farm-warrant-immigrant-893388

-> Trump's admin has yet to investigate
-> ICE has yet to comment on the incident

A report on how ICE circumvents the 4th ammendment
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/23/ice-search-seizure-handbook-manual-secret/

Ice refuses to be transparent about it's conduct
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/14/ice-denaturalization-naturalized-citizen-immigration/

ICE holds immigrants beyond the time courts say they can be in prison
https://digboston.com/cape-fear-sheriff-sides-with-trump-and-ice-against-constituents-and-immigrants/

When you say they hold immigrants beyond the time the courts say they can...those are illegal immigrants, correct?

If ICE truly did that to the farmer it is wrong and those who did it should be punished. But ICE itself is necessary, so it won't be going anywhere.

Originally posted by Surtur
[B]When you say they hold immigrants beyond the time the courts say they can...those are illegal immigrants, correct?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Indeed. Why does this matter?

If they are Illegals they don't have the same RIGHTS as Legal
Immigrants and Citizens.

There is THAT!

Why do leftists consistently call illegal immigrants...immigrants?

Do I need to explain what words mean? You guys are always sure to name the race when a black guy is shot by a cop, so be specific and consistent or you won't be taken seriously, period.

They are *illegal* immigrants. Learn this.

Words like Gender have no meaning to the Left. They are meant to be Changeable to whatever the narrative of the day is.

Originally posted by Surtur
Why do leftists consistently call illegal immigrants...immigrants?

Do I need to explain what words mean? You guys are always sure to name the race when a black guy is shot by a cop, so be specific and consistent or you won't be taken seriously, period.

They are *illegal* immigrants. Learn this.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
You're ban wasn't nearly long enough.

*Your

Originally posted by Surtur
[B]Why do leftists consistently call illegal immigrants...immigrants?

Furthermore the immigrant being legal or illegal isn't remotely relevant to ICE disregarding the judgement of the courts. So again, I have no obligation to be specific on whether he's legal or illegal.

Are you done deflecting?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Coz they're immigrants? Your inability to infer that an immigrant held by ICE(who's job it is to find illegal immigrants) is illegal isn't my concern.

Furthermore the immigrant being legal or illegal isn't remotely relevant to ICE disregarding the judgement of the courts. So again, I have no obligation to be specific on whether he's legal or illegal.

Are you done deflecting?

They are illegal. There is a difference between an illegal immigrant and an immigrant.

Words matter. This is not up for debate.

Your excuses? Irrelevant.

Your feelings? Irrelevant.

Let me put it another way: I have no obligation to not point out you're talking about illegal immigrants every time you try to label them merely as "immigrants".

Unless you want to say, right now, "words do not matter". Say it and I will never correct you again on the immigrant thing.

Originally posted by Surtur
[B]They are illegal. There is a difference between an illegal immigrant and an immigrant.

a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

Do illegal immigrants come here with the intent to live here permanently? Yes.

So is an illegal immigrant a type of immigrant? Yes.

Is it accurate for me to say that ICE was holding immigrants beyond the time period that legal institutions have determined these immigrants can be held for? Yes.

Say it and I will never correct you again on the immigrant thing.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Nope:

Do illegal immigrants come here with the intent to live here permanently? Yes.

So is an illegal immigrant a type of immigrant? Yes.

Is it accurate for me to say that ICE was holding immigrants beyond the time period that legal institutions have determined these immigrants can be held for? Yes.

You can't correct me on something where I'm factually right. Try again.

I can't tell if this is trolling. There is a difference between an illegal immigrant and someone who came here legally.

Phagboy did not hesitate to clarify when asked if the immigrants are illegal. For some reason Surt is trying really hard to portray Phagboy as some kind of hypocrite or something, when Phagboy never tried to obfuscate that they were illegal. And indeed, the squirt is doing his best to avoid addressing why that matters in the context of this thread.

Originally posted by Surtur
I can't tell if this is trolling. There is a difference between an illegal immigrant and someone who came here legally.

Are you trolling? I'd certainly hope so.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Phagboy did not hesitate to clarify when asked if the immigrants are illegal. For some reason Surt is trying really hard to portray Phagboy as some kind of hypocrite or something, when Phagboy never tried to obfuscate that they were illegal. And indeed, the squirt is doing his best to avoid addressing why that matters in the context of this thread.

That sounds like a very Homophobic Filled Comment to me.

He should be reported but then... There are Rules and then there are RULEZ!

Originally posted by Surtur
They are illegal. There is a difference between an illegal immigrant and an immigrant.

Words matter. This is not up for debate.

Your excuses? Irrelevant.

Your feelings? Irrelevant.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
You're ban wasn't nearly long enough.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Phagboy did not hesitate to clarify when asked if the immigrants are illegal. For some reason Surt is trying really hard to portray Phagboy as some kind of hypocrite or something, when Phagboy never tried to obfuscate that they were illegal. And indeed, the squirt is doing his best to avoid addressing why that matters in the context of this thread.

Do better.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He never specified "legal immigrants", only immigrants, which illegal immigrants would fall under.

Are you trolling? I'd certainly hope so.

Neat! And I am now specifying: they are illegals. And this "phagboy" actually said there isn't a difference between an illegal immigrant and an immigrant. And before you try to weasel out: he did not say that was only in the context of what he was talking about. I said "there is a difference between illegal and legal" and he said "nope".

Are you trolling? I hope so kiddo.

it's impossible to have any sort of reasonable dialogue with this obnoxious phaggot derailing every topic. surt should have been permabanned

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
it's impossible to have any sort of reasonable dialogue with this obnoxious phaggot derailing every topic. surt should have been permabanned

By that logic you should have been permabanned a long time ago.