Do Conservatives really believe the shit they say?

"Let the market decide" on everything. That'll fix the problems.

"Privatize".

"It's all about the profit".

"If you need help, you're bad and you should feel bad".

And hey, if you can't afford your heart meds anymore because some "capitalist" decided to aquire them and raise the prices by 5,000%, that's on YOU buddy. Get a better job!

The funny thing, is when one of these loudmouthed conservatives in their 40's have a kid with special needs, like down syndrome, do they refuse any and all forms of help and "pull up the bootstraps"?

Hell, no. They opt in for any service they can get, and beg for help from their online buddies.. (Which I donated towards, in one case..)

I get that big government isn't exactly an answer to lifes problems, either, it's just this "no one needs help, ever" mixed with "if you can't afford something important, it's NOT MY PROBLEM" attitude. Essentially, they're saying "**** 'em".

Until life hits them hard, then they beg just like everyone else.

It seems pretty clear that neither communism nor anarchism works very well, at least not as of now, so there has to be some optimal point in between the two. It gets dumb when some people think the answer is a dogmatic thing rather than an empirical question.

Another one of these threads, failed.

Why would they not believe something like "let the market decide" ?

For example, take a bakery that doesn't wanna do stuff for gay weddings. The government shouldn't be deciding "you have to do it, you even draw a dick on that cake if they ask and you smile while doing it". Rather, the market should decide. If people are truly bothered they will not go to the bakery anymore. If enough people are bothered there will be an impact on business. And if there is no impact on business obviously it's not as big a deal as people are making it out to be.

Originally posted by cdtm
The funny thing, is when one of these loudmouthed conservatives in their 40's have a kid with special needs, like down syndrome, do they refuse any and all forms of help and "pull up the bootstraps"?

Hell, no. They opt in for any service they can get, and beg for help from their online buddies.. (Which I donated towards, in one case..)

Well the notion that the market is close to 100% efficient is patently absurd.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well the notion that the market is close to 100% efficient is patently absurd.

That is why we aren't in a system that lets that happen.

And the notion that the government is just some magic wand that could and should be waved every time there's a problem, rather than held in restraint to be used sparingly like the instrument of force it is.

Hence why we have a mixed economy, and the calibration is more of an empirical / optimization question than a principled one.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
And the notion that the government is just some magic wand that could and should be waved every time there's a problem, rather than held in restraint to be used sparingly like the instrument of force it is.

Notice that even when the government clearly fails...some people still want to give them more power? Look at guns. We see failure after failure on the part of law enforcement, etc. Yet the solution is "more laws" for some.

Or education. Our education system is failing and yet people still rail against charter schools. Some parents were arrested at a school board meeting about charter schools.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Hence why we have a mixed economy, and the calibration is more of an empirical / optimization question than a principled one.

I agree but beyond that, we look at our system and have to decide free market=freedom, govt=lack of freedom.

Find the balance in between however the govt isn't a savior, far from it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Notice that even when the government clearly fails...some people still want to give them more power? Look at guns. We see failure after failure on the part of law enforcement, etc. Yet the solution is "more laws" for some.

Or education. Our education system is failing and yet people still rail against charter schools. Some parents were arrested at a school board meeting about charter schools.

Who were arrested?

Originally posted by SquallX
Who were arrested?

Some of the parents.

Police arrest parents, dragging one out, in school board meeting proposing charter schools

Originally posted by Surtur
Some of the parents.

Police arrest parents, dragging one out, in school board meeting proposing charter schools

That’s nice.

People do know charter schools aren’t evil right?

Originally posted by SquallX
That’s nice.

People do know charter schools aren’t evil right?

Some don't know, they have been fed propaganda from the left.

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@OP No, rightists are inherently hypocritical and evil 😖hifty:

Interesting.

After YETI cuts ties with NRA, the free market, and retailers, continue to respond in a big way

"In response to the news, some retailers vowed to stop selling YETI’s famed products, including its coolers, cups and apparel, in their stores. One store in particular, Ozark Sportsman Supply, went viral with a Facebook post this week.

“Beginning 4/23/18 Ozark Sportsman & Ozark Outpost will no longer support or sell Yeti company and their products,” the company said. “We can not in good conscience support a company that takes a stand against the rights of all Americans as Yeti has by pulling sponsorship from the NRA. By pulling their support from groups that fight for our rights Yeti has proven to be on the opposite side of the street from the conservative Majority at a crucial time in our country’s history.”

Ozark Sportsman said it would accept the financial loss it would face by not selling their stock of YETI’s products."

So we had that, then this:

"Pelican Coolers, one of YETI’s competitors, said it would donate $10 to the NRA for every cooler bought through the end of the month. A tweet announcing the deal received tens of thousands of shares.

Orca Coolers, another YETI competitor, also took advantage of the opportunity and is giving customers 20 percent off ORCA products through the end of the month."

Originally posted by Putinbot1
@OP No, rightists are inherently hypocritical and evil 😖hifty:

Got that right.

Originally posted by Surtur
And if there is no impact on business obviously it's not as big a deal as people are making it out to be.

Tell that to black people in the segregation-era South.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Tell that to black people in the segregation-era South.