(VOTE IN POLL!) DE Luke Skywalker vs DE Palpatine - Lightsabers only

LIGHTSABERS / FORCE AUGMENTATION ONLY.

This is to gauge public opinion on the Dark Empire fight.

Accidentally voted Palpatine in a close fight, but actually undecided. Open to arguments, but leaning Palpatine in a good fight.

Same.

Except I'm not undecided.

My thoughts: I doubt the intent was that Luke disarmed Palpatine principally because of Leia's aid, but Veitch has also noted that the idea of Palpatine being the supreme OG wasn't established until the prequel trilogy - meaning Palpatine's high-level mastery of everything wasn't being considered. However, it's now hard to reconcile Luke's victory given his poor performances in everything until the end of New Jedi Order, even if we assume Palpatine's lightsaber skills dwindled. Overall, I'm willing to overemphasize Leia's suspect influence to make more sense of the fight and assume Palpatine wins in a good fight otherwise.

Luke.

DE Luke > DE Palpatine clearly, it's ****ing depicted in the source, why the debate lol

Wanted to click DE Luke wins in a good fight not in a stomp. Sorry.

How the fudge could Leia influence Luke's lightsabre skills? 😂

You just cannot accept that Palpatine is not that much of a lightsabrer, are you?

Lmfao, by imbuing him with power to make him stronger, faster, more precise, etc. 😐

Sheev stomps

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lmfao, by imbuing him with power to make him stronger, faster, more precise, etc. 😐

He said "how could."

He meant in the context of DE, which what you're talking about. You realize this, yes? Nadd's not the brightest light bulb in box, but he's far from hard to understand.

I took it as him asking how could a Force user improve the lightsaber skills of another Force user in general speak.

*shrugs*

Been done :facepalm.

Luke in a good fight.

No evidence suggests Leia bolstered him during the duel. It was only explicitly implied/stated after the duel, when Palp summons his force storm.

sheev has always been a master of lightsaber combat, uses it alot or not, he knows how to.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I took it as him asking how could a Force user improve the lightsaber skills of another Force user in general speak.

*shrugs*

Light side battle meditation is not Dark Side Battle Meditation(Palpatine's or evil Shan's in KotOR, etc)

Light side battle meditation description:

"With sufficient concentration, a Jedi—such as you or I—can strengthen the HOPES of our allies and HEIGHTEN the fears of our enemies…thus, what the armies know in their HEARTS must become true… because they BELIEVE it so STRONGLY."
-Odan Urr

"Every soldier knows that war is more than arms and armor, every warrior carries an image of impending victory in his HEART. When the image shatters, to be replaced by defeat, he is BEATEN. But sometimes a warrior receives assistance from an unexpected source, an in-rush of light, blasting away his FEAR and DESPAIR, releasing new INNER STRENGTH! Yes, a war is much more than arms and armor. Half of every conflict is the WILL to win. We are Jedi. We must recognize that the WILL to win, and the power of war, are given sometimes by the dark side. And sometimes, as dawn throws back the night, victory is given…by the light!"
-Arca Jeth, while implementing Jedi battle meditation

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Fine, Leia Force amped him. But that's all. Luke beat Palpatine in lightsabre combat fair and square because Palpatine just sucks with one. End of Story.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Neither Palpatine nor Ommin were strong enough to create a perfect body(one for Nadd, the other for himself)

Hmmm...

And this cements him as the biggest Sidious hater on the forum.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Dude, he lost to a newbie DE lightsabre Luke. 😕

Originally posted by Azronger
More hype for Mace. He's an equal to Yoda and Palpatine in lightsaber skill: