Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilWhat ? He figures out where the stones are and carefully collects them. They are all over the place and no one in the entire universe has ever wielded more than one showing how amazing this feat is. The Jedi were full of pride and allowed Sidious to take over due to this. This was explained and he lucked into Anakin saving his ass from Windu. Sidious flat out lost. He also didn’t see Yoda coming at him and was caught completely off guard. Sidious only succeeded due to the pride of the Jedi and the fact no one knew he was the Sith Lord and he had access to their intel.
Thanos is clearly stronger than the star wars universe, but that doesn't make him a better villain. He's a complete idiot who bumbles his way to power. Unlike sidious who spent years/decades carefully planning and manipulating his way
Thanos took out half the universe. Thanos and just his own army would crush the empire. He wouldn’t need the stones to bring down this inferior army.
He would need the stones, bit that's not the argument here. The only smart thing thanos did was ask someone to build a gauntlet for him so the stones wouldn't kill him. Everything else was just punch people until a stone falls out so he can wish half the universe away. Even if sidious only made it because of the jedi's pride, he was still smart enough to use it to turn Anakin and control the Senate. Thanos can snap his fingers and turn the universe into a bubble, him being stronger than sidious isn't the issue. The issue is that his half population resource management plan is so dumb that my 12 year old brother could see the flaws in it, he has absolutely no tact or strategy, and that the only reason he survived to the end of the movie was becaus starlord was an even bigger idiot. He got out played by 15 year old Peter Parker, despite having like three of the stones at the time.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilHe forced the dwarf to have the gauntlet built so he could have all the stones on one weapon.
He would need the stones, bit that's not the argument here. The only smart thing thanos did was ask someone to build a gauntlet for him so the stones wouldn't kill him. Everything else was just punch people until a stone falls out so he can wish half the universe away. Even if sidious only made it because of the jedi's pride, he was still smart enough to use it to turn Anakin and control the Senate. Thanos can snap his fingers and turn the universe into a bubble, him being stronger than sidious isn't the issue. The issue is that his half population resource management plan is so dumb that my 12 year old brother could see the flaws in it, he has absolutely no tact or strategy, and that the only reason he survived to the end of the movie was becaus starlord was an even bigger idiot. He got out played by 15 year old Peter Parker, despite having like three of the stones at the time.
No, you’re being stupid now. Thanos set Gamora up. He knew she would lead him to the soul stone. He didn’t punch the soul stone out of her. So you’re lying. No one really knew anything about the soul stone. Thanos had to manipulate his own daughter who was willing to die before she’d help him get the stone. He killed what he viewed as his favorite daughter to achieve his destiny.
Thanos wasn’t handed the stones he had to seek and possess them. No one ever wielded two. Let that sink in. This isn’t some easy thing to accomplish. You don’t find these things at the local pawn shop.
Yes, he manipulated the senate and a weak anakin. Who cares. He didn’t really face anywhere near the adversity Thanos did. He sneak attacked the Jedi order before they knew what hit them. He was a coward and not even worthy of holding Thanos’ gauntlet.
Ps. Thanos took on Iron Man, Dr. Strange, Starlord, Spider-Man, Drax, Starlord, Mantis and Nebula using coordinated attacks to keep him off balance. Thanos is so strong they weren’t strong enough to get the gauntlet off of him while he was sleeping. Mantis is powerful enough to make a celestial sleep. Now we look at Sidious who was fairly beaten one on one to Windu. Gtfo.
Thanos is on another level. Palpatine isn’t anything to Thanos.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilHe was also smart and ahead of the opposition. I just said that. He didn’t punch the soul stone out of anyone. We had geniuses like Strange, Tony Stark, etc. all acting to stop Thanos from achieving his goal. He didn’t hide in the shadows and have other men secure his power like Sidious. Thanos did it himself the brunt of the work. His men failed. Thanos is more effective than Sidious, smarter, more successful amp faced far smarter foes than the Jedi. For ****s sake they were pure fail.
Again, just because thanos is strong doesn't mean her a good Gilliam. If that's all you have then this conversation is obviously pointless
did not have other men secure his power.
-had gamora find the soul gem
-had his cronies go after the time stone, and fail
-had his cronies go after the vision stone, and fail
- have dwarfs make the only thing that allows him to survive two infinity stones.
Hmmmm, what did thanos actually do that wasn't punching?
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilSo having other men attack and kill the Jedi is great but having someone else seek out the location of the soul stone you later manipulate out of her doesn’t count.
did not have other men secure his power.
-had gamora find the soul gem
-had his cronies go after the time stone, and fail
-had his cronies go after the vision stone, and fail
- have dwarfs make the only thing that allows him to survive two infinity stones.Hmmmm, what did thanos actually do that wasn't punching?
So his men failed and he had to beat them in combat. He used the time stone to retrieve Vision’s stone. So using other people to achieve his means is no good but when Sidious did it it’s great. I named things that didn’t involve punching. Newsflash dummy when Sidious faces a powerful Jedi he has to use his powers just like Thanos so you’re retarded. The advantage Sidious had is no one knew until it was too late. The avengers, wakanda, and the gotg all knew of Thanos’ goals before he held all the stones. He still won.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilThanos had a plan. While he retrieved the other stones he sent his minions out to secure what he wanted. They failed. If you don’t think he had a plan you’re an idiot. How else do you get the stones if you don’t locate and retrieve them you moron. Sidious failed he just needed Anakin to “punch” Windu or else he was dead. Sidious failed and he needed his minion to save him.
At least sidious had a plan. Besides the gauntlet, all of thanos's plans consisted of "Go place, get stone." And I like how you still haven't even tried to defend thanos's ridiculous end goal was.
Thanos’ end goal was awesome restoring balance to the entire universe. Fantastic he isn’t some regarded sith that Sidious was. Sidious was a typical su[erficial bad guy. Nothing to him. 😂
Sidious was clearly the superior schemer and manipulator.
He didnt Just use his powers to shoot people with lightning or cut them with lightsabers. In fact we hardly ever saw him in direct combat at all.
No he used his powers to turn people evil, to manipulate an entire political system in his favour, and to build weapons of mass destruction. As a result he literally ruled the Galaxy for over 2 decades.
So yes I agree, though no where near as fleshed out a personality, he was certainly a more effective overall villain.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilNo, it wasn’t. He achieved his goal of balancing the entire universe. Sidious couldn’t have done anything on that scale. He also attacked the majority of the Jedi secretly without them being aware. That’s just sneaky. He’s a sneaky underhanded coward who tried to flee as soon as Yoda countered him.
I know what he was trying to do, but that solution is the equivalent of digging a hole to China to get faster take out. It's nonsensical
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo, he wasn’t since he only turned the same guy who ended up killing him. 😂
Sidious was clearly the superior schemer and manipulator.He didnt Just use his powers to shoot people with lightning or cut them with lightsabers. In fact we hardly ever saw him in direct combat at all.
No he used his powers to turn people evil, to manipulate an entire political system in his favour, and to build weapons of mass destruction. As a result he literally ruled the Galaxy for over 2 decades.
So yes I agree, though no where near as fleshed out a personality, he was certainly a more effective overall villain.
Vader was an emotionally troubled victim who flip flopped all over the place. Yes, Sidious knew he wasn’t powerful enough to take on the Jedi directly I am glad you agree. He used an army to sneak attack the Jedi without them being aware. That isn’t badass it’s just sneaky.
Thanos affected the universe whereas Sidious only took on the galaxy. Universe>>>galaxy.
Thanos achieved something on a scale Sidious could only dream of. It’s like a guy ruling a city saying he’s better than the guy who ruled the damn world. Get serious you fanboy. Thanos is the biggest, the best villain cinema has ever seen. MCU is on a much bigger scale than Star Wars. It’s not even close.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHis minions failed. Sidious used the brute strength of his army in a sneak attack to defeat the Jedi. It’s funny how brute power only doesn’t count when Thanos uses it. Thanos’ minions failed whereas Sidious’ guys successfully in sneak attack fashion took out the majority of the Jedi.
What did Thanos do that didnt simply require minions brute strength?
Thanos used his daughter to determine the location of the soul stone. Thanks had active resistance in acquiring the stones. Sidious laid in wait to use his army in the midst of conflict against unsuspecting allies. Much easier to do that than the opposite.