Frank Castle vs Darth Vader

Started by bluewaterrider6 pages

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
While that trick did work for a moment...

IIRC, Vader used the Force to allow him to move again and killed Cylo, impaling him with his lightsaber?

Roughly 10 pages later?

Yes.

Thanks.

Plenty of time to act, then.

Ten pages?!?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Outside of Year One, which I really like, I find most of Miller's Batman sorely overrated.

i always consindered writers pet projects as elseworlds issues

Hmm.

Originally posted by riv6672
Ten pages?!?

I know, right?

If Vader wasn't immobilized for at least 20, what's the point?

To be fair, joking aside, most of the pages we're shown depict Vader's inner thoughts before he finally counters Cylo; it's possible the writer intended that to reflect a rather short time in the "real" world, especially if you take the stance that, with his life support system now shut down, Vader was seeing his life flashing before his eyes.

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I'm taking note of the number of Pym particle showings and mentions in Frank's books. It doesn't seem to be a one-off thing. Given that a hero group like the Avengers likely wouldn't freely give tech to someone as unfortunately murderous as Frank, this STRONGLY suggests he has extensive contacts for any resources he wants to obtain.

Bluewaterrider,coming from this side of the debate, it's good to have you on my team/be on your team.

For once 😛

But yes. This is a stomp in Castle's favor, mainly because prep threaa are limited by a: posters imaginations, b: the preppers intelligence, and c: what resources the prepper has access to.

A is pretty solid.
B is solid.
C is making this a stomp.

D how many times all of the above has to be explained to no avail

Ok, so with full prep this is a stomp.

What if Castle was nerfed to bringing in whatever he usually travels around with? Still gets initiative, but he can't go getting exotic tech or one offs.

Well that would be a whole different and much shorter thread then, cdtm.

Different due to the changed stips.
Shorter because the posters backing Frank in -this- thread wouldnt deny/need to have the reason Frank loses explained for 5 pages.

I retract my statement.

Lets pretend it was never said. 🙂

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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I'm taking note of the number of Pym particle showings and mentions in Frank's books. It doesn't seem to be a one-off thing. Given that a hero group like the Avengers likely wouldn't freely give tech to someone as unfortunately murderous as Frank, this STRONGLY suggests he has extensive contacts for any resources he wants to obtain.

Well, if you read the series, you'll see that he got all that by robbing one of Avengers' armories during the time when Osborn was the new "Nick Fury", director of H.A.M.M.E.R. (S.H.I.E.L.D. replacement), leading the official Avengers team.

Hardly the first time he was stealing stuff or had an access to some supertech, though.

Originally posted by cdtm
I retract my statement.

Lets pretend it was never said. 🙂


😛

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i always consindered writers pet projects as elseworlds issues

Nothing wrong with that; I think most of us have our own headcanons when it comes to the characters we like anyway.

Pretty much, which is why those showings cant be omitted.

Originally posted by deathslash

Vader can still crush ...
even if he can't see (Frank) ...
and his range at least extends to orbit.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How would Vader deal with sound attacks?

I understand he can deflect/block bullets etc, deflect explosions....but if Force users need concentration, sonics would be the way to go.

I'm surprised D.S. put the sound card on the table before me.
Perhaps seeing Klaw's equipment on Frank afforded him a head start.

I'm of the mind Vader needs concentration to work his magic too, and the following would seem to confirm that.
I must admit I was impressed with the degree of fine "motor" control they've accorded Skywalker, even from his early days as Vader, as here, recovering inside a bacta tank, they show him with skills that would make armchair fliers and auto-mechanics envious ...

Source: Darth Vader #6, Volume 2
Circa: 2017

Frank seems to have access to an incredible amount of stuff.
I was reading a little ago where he pulled out one of Dr. Octavius's tentacles, shrunk and then enlarged by Pym particles, to waylay a mind-controlled Spider-Man.

Actually, inasmuch as Stark Industries Tech Frank is fun to think about, REALLY interesting scenarios start occurring if Frank has proven Wakandan tech at his disposal. T'Challa's stuff is even a good VISUAL match for Frank, besides the motif of "dark hunter of evil men" already at play there.

Giger homages aside, the little I've read for the upcoming "New Celestials" storyline suggests a fighter geared like T'Challa might give Vader a run for his money even in a random encounter, let alone in the type of match we're discussing here:

Source: Can't recall at the moment
Circa: 2018

This shit annoys me to no end.

Everybody has access to ****ing everything nowadays.

Or the Internet.

Welcome to 2010.

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