Originally posted by One Big Mob
I've already used two examples to show how if can and was used in a different way than allowing more to happen. Let's use another example to show mistaken motives:
A+ for creativity. C- for long windedness.
It already reached a point where subduing him was out of the question. To subdue him, they literally have to really hurt or kill. We know that wasn't going to happen. Hence the open threat and talking of killing giants and what not. Can be seen as trying to intimidate and or distraction for BP and friend.
And I'm guessing the latest attempt to de-hulk him will fail.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Now you said something earlier about him not warranting getting killed, but the fact is they were doing everything they could to put him down, so obviously it warranted him being stopped. And if the only way to stop him was to kill him, then so be it. You're talking about the guy who killed his grandfather afterall because he had some enchantments on him.
No they weren't. They were all either trying to talk him down or were distracting him in hopes of depowering him. Obviously hey haven't tried everything up to that point because we see BP and Jimmy try to de-hulk him another way.
He killed his grandad w/o knowing that was his grandad. That reason doesn't count.
He also said he would kill Surfer in Mars, but a quick tongue lashing by Sif quickly stopped that. He was either really willing to kill Surfer right then and there, but Sif's words were too earth shatteringly powerful or he was just using bluster and a quick jolt of reality by Sif put things back into perspective. The latter seems to be more plausible because she doesn't strike me as a Shakespearian Word smith.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Not to mention Thor stopped talking once he threatened to kill him. All you heard was his pissed off screams.
Doesn't mean he still was attempting to stop Chulk w/o killing him. Could be that He blustered and tried to follow through with his threats up to a point. Or of course the other thing which was distracting him for an open shot by Bp/Jim.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
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And the backup is really meaningless. He knew he had that in his back pocket so he could do whatever he wanted. You'd be more inclined to punch Satan in the dick if you had your Thorboys behind you than if you were alone. It's pretty much "I failed on my own, go get him boys!".
Could be. That's why I keep saying it was a gud showing for Chulk. I've just maintained the point that Odinson was not going for the kill... All based on their history, issues leading up to this one, and what transpired during this issue.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I just explained the difference. He wasn't threatening to kill Herc while speaking of not holding back and imbuing his strikes with lightning. There is a clear difference in comics between those two intents. Not to mention this line of logic allows you to rubber band Thor wherever you want. You get to pick and choose where he was holding back. Guy probably could have killed Mangog but he was holding back.
You're telling me that he was holding back while outright saying he wasn't, that he was going to kill him, that he was lightning charging his axe and he was going for headshots? Like a great Carver once said:"What more could Thor have done to show he wasn't holding back?"
Never said no threat then axe to the Dome was equivalent to threat then axe to the Dome. U missed my point. I merely pointed out that axe to the dome is not symbolic of willing to kill. it's cause I can show multiple proof that using bladed weapons even depicted aggressively against opponents has only one connotation(death).
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Like really. You want to claim it was a low showing, be my guest. No issue there. But don't shut your bumhole and deny penis advances when you got naked in the first place.What you're relying on is a very very vague "implication" to try and outrule statements, intent, and just things happening. Secret motives don't override stated motives when we have nothing to go on.
This can't be a low showing. This Hulk has been amping up as the series has gone on. A key point is Cho's monster has progressively gotten stronger due to various reasons and could not be bottled up for much longer.
He strong as phukk right now.
Again with implication and statements/intent. I keep reiterating that the "statement" in question does not match or jive with previous issues, character history, and how the scenes played out. You can't make me accept the statement when I never put much credence on it in the first place, based on the reasoning which I've already highlighted. There's our disconnect.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Next issue it might very well prove you correct. I'm not a fortune teller, I can't rule that out. But right now it's very clear what Pak intended to portray here. He even had him say it in two different... 3 different ways, to show it was full Thor. The artist even went along with it. He even harkened back to the Sakar fight to try and silence the dissenters, much like he did in the "But he hasn't broken a world dawg" from HoTM. Because Pak hates when people mistake his intentions. If Pak doesn't cover this in the next issue, I guarantee he will write a little snide line in the future.
You're not talking about some subtle king of writing. Pak ****ing loves Hulks. Hulk is the best, and everything he writes is out to show it.
This could be another disconnect. "Full" Thor. It could be. Never disagreed there. I've always reiterated it was a gud showing for Chulk. Again, I'm not going to subscribe that this was a "bloodlusted" Odinson. Maybe this was all semantics..?
Btw Hapoy Mother's Day. Just don't let her catch u sniffing her soiled granny panties.