Originally posted by Stoic
That would depend on how badass you think Mangog is. If you walked away thinking that Mangog was a Mid Herald level character, then you betcha, Doomsday clears.
In the sense of story writing, he was written to be the biggest bad of the arc. Sure, not the most powerful; Pheonix Force takes that, but the PF was never a threat. Going by the Narrative, Mangog should have been something close to sky father level. The issue is, under Aaron, all Asgardians are weaker. None of them can survive under the sun; they don't have access to their normal power; they are just weaker overall
If you put DD in that same area, I don't think he would lose. But when i look at Asgard as a whole in the last 5-10 years, DD gets destroyed. At best, they just BFR him to multiple destinations
Originally posted by xJLxKing
The issue is, under Aaron, all Asgardians are weaker. None of them can survive under the sun; they don't have access to their normal power; they are just weaker overall
This stems from only reading the last issue of the current arc. Otherwise, you would not think this.
Asgardian's aren't weaker, the average God has actually increased in stature in terms of cosmological scale. Only Odin is weaker. Even fodder Gods can mine the core of dying planets and dying Stars, the girls of Thunder were unharmed by a massive blast from Galactus, the Three Thor's fought Gorr in the Sun, King Thor was unharmed punched through the moon/Earth by Galactus, Thor entered a massive black hole unharmed, the Destroyer was unharmed by blasts from the Phoenix, a small Asgardian armada annihilated the Shi'ar empire including the Imperial Guard, the Mother Storm easily overpowered and converted a thrown Supernova Star etc.
Odin is weaker, this is true, I'm not sure why, this has yet to be explained except plot. A portion of the Odin Force in King Thor's hands was obviously a powerful tool. Thor is unworthy, and is obviously hampered but still enough to hold back the Phoenix Force with Jane's Motherstorm, and own the Collector and Weakened Hela/Black Swan/Proxim when mad.
Mangog disgustingly stomped an Asgard and based on the last 3 years of story-telling, maybe throwing him into the Big Bang would work. MAYBE. Loki even said nothing in their arsenal could work, INCLUDING Sun-splitting weapons. A reference to this scene:
Yet he was dropped in the Sun and that worked.
Anyways, my point is that if I made a respect thread for "Gods", using only Jason Aaron's own work, they'd be pretty uber. So it's a bit misleading to assume Mangog was intended to be less powerful by extension, after all, it was flat out said he was more powerful than the Sh'iar Gods, the Phoenix and Odin. If that's what you mean.
If the Silver Surfer almost dies from a Nuclear Weapon next week, we shouldn't back track and bump down anyone who had trouble taking him out a tier.
I think....the ending just seemed so much SMALLER...? compared to the last few story-lines? Does that make sense? After all that build up, and everything else, I think it's just very anti-climatic and the entire Sun bit feels lazy, cheap, and kind of has the story loose impact. Jane not dying makes it twice as bad. Imagine if a day after DOS, Clark Kent came back to life....
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This stems from only reading the last issue of the current arc. Otherwise, you would not think this.Asgardian's aren't weaker, the average God has actually increased in stature in terms of cosmological scale. Only Odin is weaker. Even fodder Gods can mine the core of dying planets and dying Stars, the girls of Thunder were unharmed by a massive blast from Galactus, the Three Thor's fought Gorr in the Sun, King Thor was unharmed punched through the moon/Earth by Galactus, Thor entered a massive black hole unharmed, the Destroyer was unharmed by blasts from the Phoenix, a small Asgardian armada annihilated the Shi'ar empire including the Imperial Guard, the Mother Storm easily overpowered and converted a thrown Supernova Star etc.
Odin is weaker, this is true, I'm not sure why, this has yet to be explained except plot. A portion of the Odin Force in King Thor's hands was obviously a powerful tool. Thor is unworthy, and is obviously hampered but still enough to hold back the Phoenix Force with Jane's Motherstorm, and own the Collector and Weakened Hela/Black Swan/Proxim when mad.
Mangog disgustingly stomped an Asgard and based on the last 3 years of story-telling, maybe throwing him into the Big Bang would work. MAYBE. Loki even said nothing in their arsenal could work, INCLUDING Sun-splitting weapons. A reference to this scene:
Yet he was dropped in the Sun and that worked.
Anyways, my point is that if I made a respect thread for "Gods", using only Jason Aaron's own work, they'd be pretty uber. So it's a bit misleading to assume Mangog was intended to be less powerful by extension, after all, it was flat out said he was more powerful than the Sh'iar Gods, the Phoenix and Odin. If that's what you mean.
If the Silver Surfer almost dies from a Nuclear Weapon next week, we shouldn't back track and bump down anyone who had trouble taking him out a tier.
I think....the ending just seemed so much SMALLER...? compared to the last few story-lines? Does that make sense? After all that build up, and everything else, I think it's just very anti-climatic and the entire Sun bit feels lazy, cheap, and kind of has the story loose impact. Jane not dying makes it twice as bad. Imagine if a day after DOS, Clark Kent came back to life....
Lol. So IOW ignore the bits you don't like?
It happened. Aaron doesn't care about power levels. He's not here for us battle board fans.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. So IOW ignore the bits you don't like?It happened. Aaron doesn't care about power levels. He's not here for us battle board fans.
Sometimes you reply to one of my posts, and I can't tell if you quoted the right person.
I directly acknowledged what happened, and added some context to his perception. My exact point is that yes that "relative power levels" should be taken into consideration foremost. I.e. Mangog would've ripped in half Gladiator even if Gladiator was described as flying through Stars by the same writer. And even if you look base everything on power feats, if I was to graph the distribution of power showings, it'd still be ridiculously high.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This stems from only reading the last issue of the current arc. Otherwise, you would not think this.Asgardian's aren't weaker, the average God has actually increased in stature in terms of cosmological scale. Only Odin is weaker. Even fodder Gods can mine the core of dying planets and dying Stars, the girls of Thunder were unharmed by a massive blast from Galactus, the Three Thor's fought Gorr in the Sun, King Thor was unharmed punched through the moon/Earth by Galactus, Thor entered a massive black hole unharmed, the Destroyer was unharmed by blasts from the Phoenix, a small Asgardian armada annihilated the Shi'ar empire including the Imperial Guard, the Mother Storm easily overpowered and converted a thrown Supernova Star etc.
Odin is weaker, this is true, I'm not sure why, this has yet to be explained except plot. A portion of the Odin Force in King Thor's hands was obviously a powerful tool. Thor is unworthy, and is obviously hampered but still enough to hold back the Phoenix Force with Jane's Motherstorm, and own the Collector and Weakened Hela/Black Swan/Proxim when mad.
Mangog disgustingly stomped an Asgard and based on the last 3 years of story-telling, maybe throwing him into the Big Bang would work. MAYBE. Loki even said nothing in their arsenal could work, INCLUDING Sun-splitting weapons. A reference to this scene:
Yet he was dropped in the Sun and that worked.
Anyways, my point is that if I made a respect thread for "Gods", using only Jason Aaron's own work, they'd be pretty uber. So it's a bit misleading to assume Mangog was intended to be less powerful by extension, after all, it was flat out said he was more powerful than the Sh'iar Gods, the Phoenix and Odin. If that's what you mean.
If the Silver Surfer almost dies from a Nuclear Weapon next week, we shouldn't back track and bump down anyone who had trouble taking him out a tier.
I think....the ending just seemed so much SMALLER...? compared to the last few story-lines? Does that make sense? After all that build up, and everything else, I think it's just very anti-climatic and the entire Sun bit feels lazy, cheap, and kind of has the story loose impact. Jane not dying makes it twice as bad. Imagine if a day after DOS, Clark Kent came back to life....
You’re pretty much saying the same thing as me
Asgard shown in the latest arc would lose too DD
Their average showing, they would easily deal with DD
Using an average from DOS, he stops at one. Thats if we go by the low end which is what is being used here. The sun is being used as a gauge for Mangog and everyone else in Aaron run but if we use DOS, elites were getting knocked out by exploding gas stations (Maxima and Superman)...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244529/4780857-0785208056-30182.jpg
Either way we look at it, it isnt a win for Doomy. To think that this Doomsday could survive the sun, he would have to be millions of times more durable than Superman in DOS.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You’re pretty much saying the same thing as meAsgard shown in the latest arc would lose too DD
Their average showing, they would easily deal with DD
Close but different. I mean, what do you mean by the current arc? The last three issues or?
I think you're basing that on the fact that he was destroyed in the Sun, but the Mangog in that story was more powerful than the Phoenix, who a few issues earlier was said to be able to consume the Universe in her flame and was far more powerful than two Gods that turned a Supernova Star into a comet.
Originally posted by carver9
Using an average from DOS, he stops at one. Thats if we go by the low end which is what is being used here. The sun is being used as a gauge for Mangog and everyone else in Aaron run but if we use DOS, elites were getting knocked out by exploding gas stations (Maxima and Superman)...https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244529/4780857-0785208056-30182.jpg
Either way we look at it, it isnt a win for Doomy. To think that this Doomsday could survive the sun, he would have to be millions of times more durable than Superman in DOS.
What average did DOS DD have again?
In the whole arc, DD was a beast of unbridled fury. All the Heroes manage to do was to slow him down. Kal had to push beyond his means to win that fight.
Worse yet, if we go by the retcon of DOS DD, it’s even worse. Kal and DD’s punches were shaking the planet itself.
