Thanks for the answer on Colossus wins juggernaut74.
I still think Juggernaut can be beaten physically in a fight because the crimson crystal had a piece broken off of it so by that logic even if the crimson crystal was at full status Juggernaut could still get beat.
Who can beat him. Here it goes. I'll give it my best shot. Magneto.
When Magneto adjusted the tetonic plates to defeat telepaths proves that he shattered the crimson crystal power is sufficent to beat Juggernaut.
Why. Because telepathy is the only thing besides magic that can beat Juggernaut. Thus the missing piece of the Crimson crystal answer solved.
Originally posted by riv6672
Not many can.
yeah i know. definitely not colossus. thats the reason why i cant understand the point of making him jugegrnauts rival. it you make him his rival, its an opening for forced writing that will make colossus somehow beat the juggernaut, or if the writing is lazy, straight up inflict damage on him.
Originally posted by Wonder Man
telepathy is the only thing besides magic that can beat Juggernaut.
Not so.
The powers of other mutants can do so, too.
Judging from the following, Nightcrawler's "Bampf!" can do it if Nightcrawler can endure the stress long enough.
And it's pretty obvious Rogue has Juggernaut's number if she decides to use her actual power against him:
Source: Marvel Team Up #150
Circa: 1984
Originally posted by juggernaut74
You can't beat Juggernaut physically.
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I must say, the song that follows, listened to while viewing the following reading selection, pairs almost as well as Coca-Cola and a good sandwich ...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3UDkAQK5HTo
Source: Unlimited Access #1
Writer: Karl Kesel
Penciller: Pat Oliffe
Date: December 1997
That's not canon to 616, blue.
But even if it were... we wouldn't be able to use it in KMC debates.
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The last thing in the world Dareangel would want for this thread would be for it to receive "official" treatment, Stilt, for, without this being a scenario matchup, the only thing it could be classed as would be spite.
You DO have me curious now, though. I'm wondering if, outside of Wonder Woman, anybody has ever successfully knocked out Jug with punching power alone?
Perhaps Dareangel or someone else has the answer ...
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Juggernaut survived greater teleportion when he held the portal open with Meggan.
Generally, when some durable character has their senses overloaded and gets knocked out, it's not so much the magnitude of what they're experiencing but the suddenness of transition.
I gave the following earlier in my Rogue Respect Thread, for instance:
The X-Men are a team of globetrotters.
Unfortunately, many of the villains they fight are world-travelers, too.
So, it should come as little surprise that, for all their business in New York, the X-Men next find fanfavoritespar Marko during a journey to the UK:
Well, at least one of them next found Juggs ...
(Full-team engagement will follow soon, though.)
The showing above by team-separated Alison Blaire underscores the claim made last page -- it was NOT a shameful thing for Dazzler to get the better of you in the 1980s, however unlikely she presented as a combatant. Even at low power levels, lost, disoriented, and on the verge of collapse, she would overachieve like nobody's business.
Unfortunately, she WAS at the end of her rope there, alone, lost, tired, and without a significant power source. Though she brought Jug to his knees there, he eventuality recovered and overtook her, and now having no reserves, expended the utmost of the little remaining power she had, and dropped so exhausted from the effort that Jug mistook her for dead and regretfully buried her. Thankfully, Dazzler's power is such that she eventually was able to slowly absorb [i]just enough ambient sound energy to prayerfully send a shot up through the ground that her searching teammates noticed before she blacked out again, almost certainly for the last time ...
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Source: Uncanny X-Men #217
About the shattered god feat, there's actually context.
The pieces were assembling the "Shattered God". She KNEW the pieces were coming since the Shattered God basically EXPLAINED it to her. That's basically prep.
one of the scans where it's explained.:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/74209/3048405-08-5.jpg
there are over 2 scans where WW is "WARNED" about the pieces so she was already on alert BEFORE they even came near Trevor's location unlike Gladiator /Heimdall feat
