There you go. Go talk about how great Sauron is there.
Originally posted by One Big MobSauron is great and relatively speaker greater than Sidious. You went off topic and brought up the great Khan Noonien Singh.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=636027&from=thread&pagenumber=1#post16605292There you go. Go talk about how great Sauron is there.
You went off topic Quan. Morgoth has nothing to do with movie Sauron and I don't even know if he's canon in the movieverse, let alone has feats.
You're throwing random irrelevant things at the wrong person Quan. Fact remains that Morgoth wildly varies depending on who you ask or what you choose to accept. "Sidious fanboys" has nothing to do with that.
Originally posted by One Big MobHe is canon since his name was referenced in Battle of the Five Armies. That’s why I tend to debate with characters from films and cgi since we can quantify their feats without reading hyperbole off a book page. The Sidious who exists in the films gets waxed by the Sauron who exists in the film. That’s why I went there. I’m most wise.
You went off topic Quan. Morgoth has nothing to do with movie Sauron and I don't even know if he's canon in the movieverse, let alone has feats.You're throwing random irrelevant things at the wrong person Quan. Fact remains that Morgoth wildly varies depending on who you ask or what you choose to accept. "Sidious fanboys" has nothing to do with that.
I like throwing salt into the Sidious fanboys wounds.
Originally posted by One Big MobOf course it is with most books to have entirely different opinions which is why I don’t put a whole lot of stock in it and focus on the films.
So would you say that it's possible to misinterpret what Morgoth has done in a book and end up at a different viewpoint than what another reader has came to?
Originally posted by quanchi112Right, so this could be accurate?
Of course it is with most books to have entirely different opinions which is why I don’t put a whole lot of stock in it and focus on the films.
Originally posted by Azronger
Not sure, depends how you interpret Tolkien.
And as stated, some of those Morgoth boys put him above people like Rune King Thor. Hell:
Basically it depends on how you interpret the universe that Tolken created.
Originally posted by One Big MobThat is true of most book fictional matchups. I’ve met the Lotr rabid fan base before on another site. This is why I focus on the films.
Right, so this could be accurate?And as stated, some of those Morgoth boys put him above people like Rune King Thor. Hell:
Basically it depends on how you interpret the universe that Tolken created.
Morgoth at "full power" is a transcendent being who can bring metaphysical concepts like discord into being by his will and shape Arda and the cosmos beyond. That guy would stomp, if indeed a fight could be had between something so vast and something so small.
After taking physical form Morgoth's power depends a lot on how you interpret Tolkien, which Bran in particular touched on. If one thinks of the cosmos of Tolkien's work as being the same as our own, one could feasibly argue Morgoth even at weaker levels is mightier than beings who control all of space and all the stars in the universe.
I personally think that interpretation is bogus though. It is wildly inconsistent with everything else we see in the setting. One would imagine that if the Ainur were tossing out universe busting powers quite a bit more than a continent would have been devastated in the War of Wrath.
Originally posted by snoke123All right, so you are going off of his strongest point after being referred to as Morgoth? He was named as such by Feanor, so any feat after there should count for him.
yes, melkor
Palpatine could very well phuck that boy up, and I'm not going to try to recall feats that happened after that. I do recall him laying waste to a valley with a torrent of fire IIRC before fighting Fingolfin, but that's about it.
Another big issue is a relative lack of speed feats among LotR's terrestrial characters.