Fisk is returning for DD s3. So, he will likely get an amp in order to be a threat to current Daredevil. After all, we see in s2 that his time in prison wasn't spent idle (everything from working out to getting some H2H practice in to gathering information about possible allies and threats). However, until then, we can't scale him off current Daredevil, who himself, by feats, has improved in all areas since their last encounter.
Originally posted by NemeBroYeah he did use the steel pipe for a short stretch but he also took way more hits from DDs metal billy clubs and those have KOed plenty of people with a singe hit. Plus, that same mask KP hit managed to absorb the impact from a bullet point blank (though DD did get a concussion) so it's not like DD look the full impact of it directly to his skull, unlike KP did multiple times. There's also the fact that DDs fists are now armored like the rest of his body and Kingpin took hits from those like a champ.
YouTube videoI don't know what the phuck you guys are talking about. Fisk was largely getting dominated by DD in h2h. DD must have landed something like four to five times more blows than Fisk did, and he was getting rocked by those blows. Fisk only turned the tables around when, while getting his bootyhole blasted by Matt, he grabbed a steel pipe and swung it at his skull. If weapon feats don't count for Killmonger, should they for Fisk?
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerAs far as I can tell, no one is using Defenders DD feats. I've been keeping to season 1 DD anyways.
People who are arguing both that Fisk would have beaten Matt without his suit and that end of S1 Matt is comparable to Defenders Matt... Just how? Do you actually believe Fisk is comparable to Black Sky Elektra, considering Matt was able to give her a decent fight, and take some of her super strong hits, before she'd discovered his identity, and without any of his gear?
Thing is, even season 1 DD had great showings against other characters like Nobu, and Kingpin did pretty good with against him. I just don't think a non amped Killmonger would be able to do as well. He's no DD, and we have no real unarmed feats with him. If he had a sword against KP? Sure. But without? If Kingpin gets his hands on him and does a few of those slams he did to DD (which hurt DD, a guy with ridiculous damage soak even in season 1, through armor), I don't see a mostly featless unamped Killmonger recovering. The guy never took hits from someone like KP as a normal man and when KP gets his hands on him, he's done.
Matt was getting shit-canned in his S1 fight with Nobu IMO, though it does show how ridiculously high his damage soak is, even without his suit.
Considering this still happened afterwards:
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Matt was getting shit-canned in his S1 fight with Nobu IMO, though it does show how ridiculously high his damage soak is, even without his suit.Considering this still happened afterwards:
You're right, I remember DD doing much better against Nobu for some reason. He got 6-7 hits max in that entire fight where as Nobu was far into the double digits. He was still impressive at points, but he did get whooped (though KM wouldn't have done half as well as he did). Despite that though, he did have plenty of fights in season 1 that were more impressive than unamped KMs fight against BP.
6:55, 11:44, 1:00, 6:39 and his fight with Stick are all places I don't see KM doing well for example
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Despite that though, he did have plenty of fights in season 1 that were more impressive than unamped KMs fight against BP.
Yes but almost all of those fights were against fodder. I don't remember S1 DD ever dominating a high-end opponent the same way Kilmonger dominated T'Challa.
Originally posted by FrothByteYeah, but not all of them are normal fodder. Some of those guys were skilled martial artists in their own right like that no named assassin/ninja guy in the Karen's apartment. It's why the fights themselves are more impressive than unamped T'challas fight with KM. The ninjas in season 2 are fodder too, but damn terrifying fodder.
Yes but almost all of those fights were against fodder. I don't remember S1 DD ever dominating a high-end opponent the same way Kilmonger dominated T'Challa.