Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Lucifer never encountered that type of level lmao but knowing these dudes, you'll get some wank
Yeah. Or another faulty post like "deeerp molecule man waz wekened becauz *insert bullshit about molecule man being insane supposedly depowering him*"
That's sad that people still don't know in which way Molecule Man is depowered aka it only depends on his beliefs about his abilities and Molecule Man never said once that he was unable to do anything with his powers in Dark Avengers. That's the core of the character.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Yeah. Or another faulty post like "deeerp molecule man waz wekened becauz *insert bullshit about molecule man being insane supposedly depowering him*"That's sad that people still don't know in which way Molecule Man is depowered aka [B]it only depends on his beliefs about his abilities and Molecule Man never said once that he was unable to do anything with his powers in Dark Avengers. That's the core of the character.
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That's not true in the slightest. MM and Beyonder were both massively depowered in a retcon.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
That's not true in the slightest. MM and Beyonder were both massively depowered in a retcon.
They still affected the whole Marvel Multiverse after they formed the Cosmic Cube.
The Beyonder was supposed to be below the Celestials when he appeared for the first time, according to the retcon, so you have to value his feats from here.
And Owen's powers only depends in his beliefs about them.
I'd mention Lucifer tanking the whole of Michael's demiurgic power(ie. the literal power of GOD himself) detonating in his face...and then willing that raw energy into his own totality, with seemingly NO effort whatsoever... But I know a few of the people here are just going to continue lowballing Lucifer and hyper-wanking Sentry, so I'm not even going to bother.
Have fun. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
I'd mention Lucifer tanking the whole of Michael's demiurgic power(ie. the literal power of GOD himself) detonating in his face...and then willing that raw energy into his own totality, with seemingly NO effort whatsoever... But I know a few of the people here are just going to continue lowballing Lucifer and hyper-wanking Sentry, so I'm not even going to bother.Have fun. 🙂
Lucifer is designed to manipulate Michael's demiurgic power.
I don't see how this is the feat when you are made to harness the power.
I'm still waiting for a feat of Lucifer as high as beating someone as powerful and skilled as Molecule Man...
Lucifer struggled to beat "God" and he had to rely on a sword capable to rip the reality...
Him and Sentry aren't on the same level.
EDIT:
And Michael's raw power is only SEMI-Universal.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I have lots of arguments for everything but you're an unsavory poster to debate against. Whether you think that's a good or a bad thing is up to you.It was a simple question. I never said who would win though.
Your behaviour towards me has nothing to do with the possibility to make valuable arguments.
You are making excuses.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And Sentry wasn't even able to restore a city.Such molecule powers.
Sentry was using his powers for the first time.
He lacked the SKILLS to do it.
His RAW POWER was superior to Molecule Man's RAW POWER and SKILLS.
Such reading skills... 😆
You don't make the difference between SKILLS and RAW POWER and you dare posting here... 👆
RealityWarper has been at a certain point for a very long time now.
He had to deal with so much written-verbal abuse, that he now starts insulting anyone, who opposes his opinion in the slightest. He immediately gets defensive, starts insulting people, bringing up his own beliefs and even worse... a bunch of fallacies. And all of that while failing to realize, that he himself is consumed by some of the biggest flaws in human psychology:
Dunning Krueger Effect
The Dunning Krueger Effect makes it so, that a person overestimates his or her own abilities and underestimates the abilities of others. RealityWarper thinks that he has figured it all out, while in fact he hasn't. And he is being told that over and over again, but... that's where the Backfire Effect kicks in.
Backfire Effect
The Backfire Effect makes it so, that once a person is confronted with opposing beliefs... their belief in their own take doesn't get challenged, but it gets even stronger. So when RealityWarper says that Sentry is multiversal and someone else says, that he isn't... RealityWarper believes even more that Sentry is multiversal.
In the end of the day... Lucifer Morningstar wins.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Where does that place the Norn Stone empowered heroes in relation to the Marvel Multiverse?
I think that the Norn Stones don't get the credit they deserve. Asgardian Magic has done things which it shouldn't have been able to do. The enchanted Jarnbjorn axed killed a celestial. And not just any celestial, but one of the more powerful ones on the spectrum.
The Norn Stones themselves amped Captain America to a point, where he was able to slice through the Void like through butter. The jump in power scale is just ridiculous. That was some Deus Ex Machina level amping right there. The question is if the amp affected everyone the same way and Captain America at that point was as powerful as an amped Thor... or if the amp increased everyones power level proportionally. Imagine it's the latter. That would have made Thor stupidly powerful. And they still weren't able to defeat the Sentry properly. They were hurting him like crazy, but he was still in the fight and managed to take away their advantage.
That adds to the power level of the Sentry, but I don't feel like it takes away anything from the Norn Stones. If I'm not all too wrong, then the Norn Stones in combination with another artifact restored a broken reality (universe) or something like that. God of Magic Strange transmuted an entire dimension recently. So Doctor Strange, more powerful than ever before fought alongside Loki against the Void and they were getting trashed easily. At the same time you saw a couple of Sonic Booms all over the world, while they were getting choked out. And then the Sentry arrived, attacked the Void and gave them a fighting chance.
I put Sentry very high on the scale. To me it's hilarious when I see people putting him up against someone like Thor or Silver Surfer. He is simply above them.
Lucifer Morningstar however? Yeah, Sentry dies. I once already said, that I wouldn't be surprised, if the Sentry beat someone like Galactus out of nowhere. He simply has that kind of a X-Factor to him. But beating someone, who is easily in the top 10 or arguably even in the top 5 of the DC universe? Yeah, that ain't happening.