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I havent just compared it to Avengers though. Ive compared it to Jurassic World as well, thats 2 massive sci-fi/fantasy franchises out in the same years.

The OT was 3 decades ago lol. Completely different time period for cinema, box office and sequels. But hey, Even when you compare to the prequels (same franchise) just over a decade ago, neither the drop off or the box office multiplier look good. Especially so given the cliffhanger TFA ended on. Btw, do you even have the numbers ANH and ESB originally made? Because I do not.

Again, TFA worldwide not only made more than Infinity War, but Massively more than the other Avenger films, and Massively more Jurassic World. So the worldwide comparison is completely fair.

If TLJ made 1.6-1.7bill this conversation would not even be happening. 1.5bill would have been a bit on the lower side, but then you could have had the argument that TFA simply overperformed.

But TLJ made just slightly more than JW2. JW1 didnt even end on a big cliffhanger. The first JW was never even sold as a new trilogy.

Put all that together with Solo flopping just months later, and its pretty damning evidence that the franchise has been dented (for now at least). And again this is ignoring all the hate, and just looking at the numbers.

You have conjecture on your side whereas I have the numbers. The numbers do not lie, hey are just fact.

^ Btw Ive checked the current numbers for ANH and ESB, and the drop off still wasnt as large as TLJ.

So unless the original figures showed something different, the faulty comparison (IMO), is still a fail.

Worst drop off ever for a Star Wars film, with the worst box office multiplier, and followed right after by a flop. It would be naeive to think nothing has gone wrong there. And again thats just looking at the numbers and ignoring the hate.

Yes, and in both those cases China acts as a cushion that Star Wars just doesn't have.

No, you are wrong. The drop off is pretty close with the prequels actually.

Phantom Menace - Domestic: 475 million roughly. World Wide 1.027 billion

Attack of the Cones - Domeestic: 311 million roughly. World Wide 650 million.

TLJ is pretty in line with that, same with Empire. Btw Boxofficemojo is where I'm getting the numbers from, they have the numbers available for the OT as well. All follow the same trend. No conjecture needed, just those numbers you say you like so much.

Empire Strikes Back made about 70% of what Star Wars made worldwide and about 63% of what it made domestically, adjusted for inflation that number drops to 55%

AotC made about 63% of what Phantom Menace made worldwide and about 65% of what it made domestically, adjusted for inflation that domestic number drops to 59%.

TLJ made about 64% of what TFA made worldwide and about 66% of what it made domestically, adjusted for inflation about 62.5% domestic.

So no, unless my numbers are wrong (which they may be, math is not my strong suit), aside from Solo's bomb, nothing has gone wrong, the drop from TFA to TLJ is pretty in line with the rest of the franchise, as the numbers show. Obviously, Disney made some kind of error with Solo, but you assigning blame to previous films and then pretending like that is not conjecture is laughable.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, and in both those cases China acts as a cushion that Star Wars just doesn't have.

No, you are wrong. The drop off is pretty close with the prequels actually.

Phantom Menace - Domestic: 475 million roughly. World Wide 1.027 billion

Attack of the Cones - Domeestic: 311 million roughly. World Wide 650 million.

TLJ is pretty in line with that, same with Empire. Btw Boxofficemojo is where I'm getting the numbers from, they have the numbers available for the OT as well. All follow the same trend. No conjecture needed, just those numbers you say you like so much.

Anyone who expected TLJ to compete with TFA numbers is an idiot tbh. Did it fall below expectations sure but it cruised past 1 billion and grossed the most money out of 2017. D. Thor is massively biased and rarely ever looks the context of any situation when his feelings are involved.

Originally posted by BackFire
Empire Strikes Back made about 70% of what Star Wars made worldwide and about 63% of what it made domestically, adjusted for inflation that number drops to 55%

AotC made about 63% of what Phantom Menace made worldwide and about 65% of what it made domestically, adjusted for inflation that domestic number drops to 59%.

TLJ made about 64% of what TFA made worldwide and about 66% of what it made domestically, adjusted for inflation about 62.5% domestic.

So no, unless my numbers are wrong (which they may be, math is not my strong suit), aside from Solo's bomb, nothing has gone wrong, the drop from TFA to TLJ is pretty in line with the rest of the franchise, as the numbers show. Obviously, Disney made some kind of error with Solo, but you assigning blame to previous films and then pretending like that is not conjecture is laughable.

Ps. Be my new bff.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I havent just compared it to Avengers though. Ive compared it to Jurassic World as well, thats 2 massive sci-fi/fantasy franchises out in the same years.

The OT was 3 decades ago lol. Completely different time period for cinema, box office and sequels. But hey, Even when you compare to the prequels (same franchise) just over a decade ago, neither the drop off or the box office multiplier look good. Especially so given the cliffhanger TFA ended on. Btw, do you even have the numbers ANH and ESB originally made? Because I do not.
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Again, TFA worldwide not only made more than Infinity War, but Massively more than the other Avenger films, and Massively more Jurassic World. So the worldwide comparison is completely fair.
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If TLJ made 1.6-1.7bill this conversation would not even be happening. 1.5bill would have been a bit on the lower side, but then you could have had the argument that TFA simply overperformed.

But TLJ made just slightly more than JW2. JW1 didnt even end on a big cliffhanger. The first JW was never even sold as a new trilogy.

Put all that together with Solo flopping just months later, and its pretty damning evidence that the franchise has been dented (for now at least). And again this is ignoring all the hate, and just looking at the numbers.

You have conjecture on your side whereas I have the numbers. The numbers do not lie, hey are just fact. [/B]

Quit with the cliffhanger nonsense. People went out to see TLJ. 1.3 billion confirms it. People outside of me did not go multiple times in droves like they did for TFA.

No, it is conjecture relying on anecdotal evidence you beat your chest over. You do not even know what conjecture means. Seriously, cactus joe has you dead to rights. You are very stupid and typically fail to grasp the obvious. You need to think for yourself and not have the media dictate your opinion.

Originally posted by BackFire
Empire Strikes Back made about 70% of what Star Wars made worldwide and about 63% of what it made domestically, adjusted for inflation that number drops to 55%

AotC made about 63% of what Phantom Menace made worldwide and about 65% of what it made domestically, adjusted for inflation that domestic number drops to 59%.

TLJ made about 64% of what TFA made worldwide and about 66% of what it made domestically, adjusted for inflation about 62.5% domestic.

So no, unless my numbers are wrong (which they may be, math is not my strong suit), aside from Solo's bomb, nothing has gone wrong, the drop from TFA to TLJ is pretty in line with the rest of the franchise, as the numbers show. Obviously, Disney made some kind of error with Solo, but you assigning blame to previous films and then pretending like that is not conjecture is laughable.

Yes they are a bit off, but not your fault.

Both ANH and TPM were released more times than ESB and AOTC which inflate their numbers.

I have the original TPM numbers and AOTC was a 29% drop from those.

I dont have the original ANH and ESB numbers but as it stands now ESB is a 30% drop from ANH, despite more releases for ANH.

TLJ was a 35% drop from TFA.

So definitely the biggest drop, and by a fair bit. Thats just worldwide though. Domestic only might look better for TLJ, but like I already pointed out, TLJ also had the lowest domestic multiplier of any Star Wars film.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you not realize 99 percent of yourdebwting relies on anecdotal evidence.

Urm no, numbers are facts and dont take sides. They just are.

Whilst your entire argument is built on conjecture and in your case, Massive butthurt.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Urm no, numbers are facts and dont take sides. They just are.

Whilst your entire argument is built on conjecture and in your case, Massive butthurt.

As I said TLJ fell below expectations but the only serious misstep was Solo. Backfire explained the complexity of it but you are all caught up in your own perception to listen to reason.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Backfire walked you through it all but you just keep on with your pitiful conjecture.

Look at you getting all hard over someone else debating me.

As ive explained in the last post though, his number analysis wasnt right (not his fault).

Originally posted by quanchi112
The numbers support my stance.

Lmao

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Look at you getting all hard over someone else debating me.

As ive explained in the last post though, his number analysis wasnt right (not his fault).

Lmao

The numbers are not the problem it is your conjecture. You honestly are not someone who thinks for himself. You are easily led astray.

Yeah but he was wrong, as were you with your numbers.

No Star Wars sequel has ever taken the dip TLJ did. And no Star Wars film has ever flopped before Solo.

Keep crying conjecture but the facts are the facts. No whining or complaining is going to change that.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but he was wrong, as were you with your numbers.

No Star Wars sequel has ever taken the dip TLJ did. And no Star Wars film has ever flopped before Solo.

Keep crying conjecture but the facts are the facts. No whining or complaining is going to change that.

All the second films dip but as I said TLJ dipped below what they would like but still a healthy profit. 1.3 billion is a good problem to have.

No, the truth is not as simple as your mind. Your mind tries to simplify reality for it to make sense but reality is complex and you are not looking at all other other factors.

Bad movie idea, bad release date, more Star Wars films so over saturated, etc.

And Ive never claimed TLJ wasnt profitable or a big movie still lol

And of course Episode 9 will make well over a Billion as well.

That doesnt mean the demand hasnt decreased. It factually has going by the numbers. But its such a massive franchise all it will take is one great film, and the demand would fly right back up.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes they are a bit off, but not your fault.

Both ANH and TPM were released more times than ESB and AOTC which inflate their numbers.

I have the original TPM numbers and AOTC was a 29% drop from those.

I dont have the original ANH and ESB numbers but as it stands now ESB is a 30% drop from ANH, despite more releases for ANH.

TLJ was a 35% drop from TFA.

So definitely the biggest drop, and by a fair bit. Thats just worldwide though. Domestic only might look better for TLJ, but like I already pointed out, TLJ also had the lowest domestic multiplier of any Star Wars film.

Ah okay, well fair enough then. Still think it's premature to say the brand is damaged, though. But we'll know with Episode IX one way or another. If that continues the trend and makes less than TLJ, then it definitely is damaged.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And Ive never claimed TLJ wasnt profitable or a big movie still lol

And of course Episode 9 will make well over a Billion as well.

That doesnt mean the demand hasnt decreased. It factually has going by the numbers. But its such a massive franchise all it will take is one great film, and the demand would fly right back up.

I was willing to bet on it you are not. You actually agree with me that solo waill be the only bomb. I said the brand will be fine and that solo was the only hiccup. Next time do not puss out and try to have the courage of your convictions.

This is Khan vs. Vader all over again. The day of you backed down.

"The day of you backed down"

...I think Quanni is showing his inner desires again...

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]"The day of you backed down"

...I think Quanni is showing his inner desires again... [/B]

Need to dig up that Kettle Gif again.