Female Avengers vs All female Justice League

Originally posted by Zack M
Z can do the exact same thing, but on a grander scale.

Originally posted by Zack M
Z is more powerful than Wanda at this point and she doesn't just blitz every time. Z has tagged speedsters before, including wonder woman. She's in a universe filled with speedsters, for crying out loud.

But we know she IS fast enough to handle speedsters. And who says Monica is going directly for Z anyway?

Originally posted by Zack M
Z is more powerful than Wanda at this point and she doesn't just blitz every time. Z has tagged speedsters before, including wonder woman. She's in a universe filled with speedsters, for crying out loud.

Originally posted by Zack M
But we know she IS fast enough to handle speedsters. And who says Monica is going directly for Z anyway?

Also, just to throw some more factors into the mix. Spectrum can amp Carol. Wanda can amp her whole team. Avengers squad might steadily grow in power as the match carries on, assuming they can grab a free moment.

Which is, of course, the hard part.

Originally posted by Zack M
But we know she IS fast enough to handle speedsters. And who says Monica is going directly for Z anyway?

Common knowledge is that zatanna is a powerful magic user. She knows what magic can do to her. She'd be stupid not to take out zatanna.

Fighting in character, I just don't see it. We know that Z can tag speedsters and we know Monica isn't immune to magic, so it's zs fight, imo.

Originally posted by deathslash
this is a forum fight. They don't need to and won't size up their opponents first. That's kind of why Superman speed blitzing is still considered a viable strategy on these forums.

I dont think you understand how forum matches go. Yes characters fight to the best of their abilities but they ALSO fight in character. And an in character Spectrum or Diana doesnt blitz the second the bell rings. These are two tactical trained fighters youre scenario doesnt make sense unless they are blood lusted. Its like you dont know the characters at all and just decided to debate powersets.

Originally posted by StyleTime

She did it against that astral head's hordes, despite explicitly being clueless to what they were.

"In character" means they won't tear someone's head off, but will still fight to their fullest. I'd argue only a few characters have overriding personality traits that would prevent them from blitzing, like Monet maybe. It's like an MMA match. They are going full speed/strength, but will let go of the choke before you actually die. Additionally, this thread specifies recent depictions only. Monica uses her speed regularly and generally aspires to surpass her limits now. She just happens to run into a lot of folks who can deal with it.

I'm not even saying the matchups will play out like that, but the witches absolutely can get blitzed if someone wanted to.

Scans?

Speedblitz is like the shittiest example of debating. For one NO ONE, not even Flashes rush in ftl and hundred hand slap opponents ftw in the history of comics regularly enough for it to be called in character.

Are you forgetting both mages can time stop?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Scans?

Speedblitz is like the shittiest example of debating. For one NO ONE, not even Flashes rush in ftl and hundred hand slap opponents ftw in the history of comics regularly enough for it to be called in character.

Are you forgetting both mages can time stop?

Some find it boring, but it's perfectly valid. You simply dislike it's use, which is your right of course. Personal preference and all. It's in line with the rules though.

They time stop even less than speedsters blitz. We can't give the mages full capacity and not everyone else.

Round 2 is bloodlusted btw. Both teams have speed types, so it's not like speed alone will determine this. It's a great thread tbh.

it really does come down to match ups. i'd say team 2 has the overall power advantage between diana and zee. zee has some high level tp that could be used to wipe out anyone on team 1 except sersi, maybe. we've seen monica stopped with tp already. she would need to blitz zee from the get-go, and go hard because zee has some good durability feats and can cast really quickly and without speaking--or she could. not sure if rebirth zee has done that...

i'd need to see some pretty uber absorption feats for starfire to think monica couldn't overload her or just kill her with some more exotic form of radiation.

sersi also has some high level tp skills, but she couldn't bother zee (and may regret even trying) while diana has some high level defense. she could take out mera and kory though. carol simply doesn't have the power to hang overall with diana or zee. more often than not i could see it boiling down to diana/zee vs sersi, or maybe sersi/monica. if zee has a chance, she ends monica for sure imo. and diana has faced and between the REAL circe, who i'd say was more powerful (slightly) than the eternal.

good match up gs, but i'd take team dc in what would be a bunch of close, fun matches.

Originally posted by StyleTime
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Some find it boring, but it's perfectly valid. You simply dislike it's use, which is your right of course. Personal preference and all. It's in line with the rules though.

They time stop even less than speedsters blitz. We can't give the mages full capacity and not everyone else.

Round 2 is bloodlusted btw. Both teams have speed types, so it's not like speed alone will determine this. It's a great thread tbh.

The thing is, with full capacity, Z is the most powerful on the field, by a lot. Sure, Monica can take her, but she would be extremely lucky to take a majority from a top tier mage, such as Zatanna (Who Constantine says is a peer).

Originally posted by Zack M
The thing is, with full capacity, Z is the most powerful on the field, by a lot. Sure, Monica can take her, but she would be extremely lucky to take a majority from a top tier mage, such as Zatanna (Who Constantine says is a peer).

Originally posted by StyleTime
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Some find it boring, but it's perfectly valid. You simply dislike it's use, which is your right of course. Personal preference and all. It's in line with the rules though.

They time stop even less than speedsters blitz. We can't give the mages full capacity and not everyone else.

Round 2 is bloodlusted btw. Both teams have speed types, so it's not like speed alone will determine this. It's a great thread tbh.

im not exactly getting the points of your post. yea shes fast no denying that but she assessed the situation first in real time then decided to charge.

and yes it is a bad tactic because one its never or rarely used and two its ooc to use it as a initial salvo...speed imonis not the determing factor here...its individual fights that are key

Originally posted by Zack M
The thing is, with full capacity, Z is the most powerful on the field, by a lot. Sure, Monica can take her, but she would be extremely lucky to take a majority from a top tier mage, such as Zatanna (Who Constantine says is a peer).

Originally posted by Zack M
But we know she IS fast enough to handle speedsters. And who says Monica is going directly for Z anyway?

Being a former leader of the Avengers means that the possibility of eliminating the biggest threat would likely be her top priority.

Originally posted by Zack M
The thing is, with full capacity, Z is the most powerful on the field, by a lot. Sure, Monica can take her, but she would be extremely lucky to take a majority from a top tier mage, such as Zatanna (Who Constantine says is a peer).

Originally posted by Sin I AM
im not exactly getting the points of your post. yea shes fast no denying that but she assessed the situation first in real time then decided to charge.

and yes it is a bad tactic because one its never or rarely used and two its ooc to use it as a initial salvo...speed imonis not the determing factor here...its individual fights that are key

To clarify my point earlier, I'm saying you're confusing your personal distaste for blitz strategies with the rules for CIS and full capacity. It'd be out of character for Monica to try and fry their brains, but she will use her speed to it's fullest for KO's. Especially since we're only using recent depictions here.

I agree speed is largely neutralized between the two teams though. The battle is determined mostly by how the matchups play out. I'm just talking a theoretical Zatanna/Monica fight, should it occur.

Originally posted by leonidas
it really does come down to match ups. i'd say team 2 has the overall power advantage between diana and zee. zee has some high level tp that could be used to wipe out anyone on team 1 except sersi, maybe. we've seen monica stopped with tp already. she would need to blitz zee from the get-go, and go hard because zee has some good durability feats and can cast really quickly and without speaking--or she could. not sure if rebirth zee has done that...

i'd need to see some pretty uber absorption feats for starfire to think monica couldn't overload her or just kill her with some more exotic form of radiation.

sersi also has some high level tp skills, but she couldn't bother zee (and may regret even trying) while diana has some high level defense. she could take out mera and kory though. carol simply doesn't have the power to hang overall with diana or zee. more often than not i could see it boiling down to diana/zee vs sersi, or maybe sersi/monica. if zee has a chance, she ends monica for sure imo. and diana has faced and between the REAL circe, who i'd say was more powerful (slightly) than the eternal.

good match up gs, but i'd take team dc in what would be a bunch of close, fun matches.

I'm still undecided, but I can definitely understand if someone leans to the DC side. I think the first group to lose a person will probably lose the fight eventually.

Originally posted by StyleTime
In she gets spells off, yes. She'd be a sitting duck if Monica blitzes though.

She had specific mission parameters though, which made them wait. Once the actual fight with horde started, she instantly blitzed. Here, it's just a fight. No delicate objective to fulfill.

To clarify my point earlier, I'm saying you're confusing your personal distaste for blitz strategies with the rules for CIS and full capacity. It'd be out of character for Monica to try and fry their brains, but she will use her speed to it's fullest for KO's. Especially since we're only using recent depictions here.

I agree speed is largely neutralized between the two teams though. The battle is determined mostly by how the matchups play out. I'm just talking a theoretical Zatanna/Monica fight, should it occur.

nice observation. i agree with you to an extent i just font think its a a good tactic to employ. im more keen on monica being more esoteric than a bruiser. that seems like something miss america would do not her.