Originally posted by panthergod
Superman wins 6/7 . Superman absorbs her. easily. He's been absorbing energy offensively since Byrne at least.
Nothing Supes does will affect Monica. Even in the '80s, even Zeus was NOT able to affect a non-weakened Monica
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Here's Thor confirming that Monica hurt Zeus more than any mortal has ever done
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also Monica can drain way more energy than both Radioactive Man and Solaar combined, those two had zero issues nearly killing Supes in the JLA/Avengers issue, only reason superman survived was because a dying vision supercharged him with the stored solar energies that were in his (vision's) solar energy crystal. Superman got so much supercharged that he wasn't longer effected by what those 2 beings were doing to him. Monica's energy drain>>>>> stored energy that vision used to supercharge Superman, and that was BACK before Monica got perma amped the 2nd time
Comics don't tend to be realistic power set battles. If this were true, there wouldn't really be tiers of characters--everything would be about individual matchups with a lot of rock/paper/scissors.
Superman is on a higher tier than Spectrum, and in a comics fight the writer would probably give him the win somehow. You're right that in theory (unless his HV can affect her) Superman has no way to win. But that is just theory. Hulk would probably find a way to beat her.
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Comics don't tend to be realistic power set battles. If this were true, there wouldn't really be tiers of characters--everything would be about individual matchups with a lot of rock/paper/scissors.Superman is on a higher tier than Spectrum, and in a comics fight the writer would probably give him the win somehow. You're right that in theory (unless his HV can affect her) Superman has no way to win. But that is just theory. Hulk would probably find a way to beat her.
what do you mean about the comics part?
What?
She can even turn into a Neutrino Stream. Remember, Neutrinos are smaller than electrons, IIRC. Also, her energy-based phasing is so high that even Zeus was NOT able to affect her w/ a direct blast (back in the '80s). She went all out against Zeus to the point that she was temporarily unable to use her powers due to exhaustion.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
what do you mean about the comics part?
I'm not sure what your question is here, exactly. The entire post you referred to is pretty much about comic book conventions.
Comics tend to have certain conventions. There's a bias towards physical, humanly relatable powers--the stuff of myth and legend. So more exotic and versatile powers tend to be given less credit than they should. Meanwhile, strength and invulnerability/durability/toughness are king. Speed is a physical power, but radically accelerated speed is not the kind of power you saw in ancient mythology much, and for good reason. Despite being an enhancement of an ability all humans possess--like strength and toughness--having such speed is much harder to relate to than being really strong. It makes you less human, in a way.
So comic companies want a hierarchy where certain types of power sets are over-represented at the top levels, and it modifies its reality implicitly to support this hierarchy. Non-flying bricks never get blasted backwards by the recoil of their own punches. Nor are they thrown into orbit in every fight.
Similarly, there's a bias towards having 'interesting' battles that are relatable and can be presented visually in a satisfactory manner given the limits of the medium. Auto-win uses of powers are typically not used as they would make for one-sided, boring fights. Superman might use super speed to get a small edge on a brick without super-speed, but he'll almost never use it decisively. This is mistakenly thought of as CIS or even PIS, but it's neither. It's part of the unwritten conventions of comics.
With even remotely realistic usages of powers, the top levels of the hero hierarchy (such that it is) would be be filled with speedsters, ethereal energy manipulators mages, and psis. I say 'such as it is' because there would be less of a defined hierarchy as far more battles would be extremely one-sided and decided by how certain power sets match up, rather than by raw power. A speedster might beat any being he can touch--and beat it badly. But any being he can't touch probably roasts him. Most fights would end in under a panel.
It's important to rate fights using such conventions IMO. It's all we really have evidence for. Once you start trying to inject more realism than the comics typically do, and in ways they don't typically do so, you go down a rabbit hole. It seems like it would be easier to argue fights using such parameters, but ultimately you tend to find that we lack enough specific data about the powers of participants to decisively argue fights in this way.
Where's the scan of Supes vibration phasing being greater than someone who can counter temporarl shields?
Where's the scan of Supes detecting a Neutrino steam? Neutrinos are smaller than electrons and Monia efforrtlessly turned into one back in the 80s
Even Thanos wasn't avle to keep Monica from enterting his brain through his eye when using her powers, Thus if Superman can't see Monica, he's not doing anything
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Monica's actually resisted absorption before try again
Superman just absorbs her.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Monica can turn into Neutrino steam which are SMALLER than electrons, he can't use his heat vision if he won't be able to detect or see something that small. so show proof
Originally posted by abhilegend
Iron man has absorbed her easily.Superman just absorbs her.
Superman has looked down to smaller than electrons multiple times. He can even look down to quantum realms.
proof of supes looking down lower than that?
Iron Man did it with the right frequency i.e tech, and his absorption abilities is far more impressive than superman
This is from Ultimates Vol.1 #1 Monica's confirmed to be LIVING EM Energy, thus supes heat vision isn't doing anything to her
