HOM Wanda vs. Pre-Retcon Beyonder

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Or that just means that Ionic Energy equals Life Force in terms of Power Source ?

Simon is just a being made of ionic energy, he's not a conduit for all ionic energy if that's what you were implying. In the same series he was stated to have the power of a city... although in a later story he was stated to have the power of a star. Probably hyperbole though.

On second thought, you may be on to something: https://imgur.com/a/WqZhKNe

WM = Sentry > life force > Beyonder/Molecule man > everyone else in marvel.

Thoughts? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by operator616
SW I, you mean. Because that's where Doom usurped Beyonder's power.

And yes, he was definitely referencing that because that's the only time he had the beyonder's power. SW itself is still very much in continuity and will never be retconned away for that matter (because of off-topic reasons). The events themselves of SW I and II are still very much intact, what's not is beyonder's power levels and origins; since then he's been retconned into a cosmic cube and mutant inhuman (though some controversy surrounds this). So basically, life force > post-retcon Beyonder in terms of raw power, according to Doom.

Uhm... Post-Retcon Beyonder? How is that? Can you explain me, please?

Originally posted by operator616
Simon is just a being made of ionic energy, he's not a conduit for all ionic energy if that's what you were implying. In the same series he was stated to have the power of a city... although in a later story he was stated to have the power of a star. Probably hyperbole though.

On second thought, you may be on to something: https://imgur.com/a/WqZhKNe

WM = Sentry > life force > Beyonder/Molecule man > everyone else in marvel.

Thoughts? 😖hifty:

Good question.

I have to dig much informations about Wonder Man to have an opinion about it.

However, there is the power-source and the power-set to use it.

Originally posted by backup
Uhm... Post-Retcon Beyonder? How is that? Can you explain me, please?

Alright.

There is an event called Secret Wars.

The event itself is still in continuity, so everything that happened in that comic book still happened by today's standards.

However, Beyonder himself was retconned into a lower power level and having different origins.

So for example: In original comics, Beyonder was the embodiment of a realm bigger than the entire multiverse who discovered the mainstream multiverse through a pin-hole in space. This is has been retconned away: Beyonder is just a child unit of the beyonders, he is from a pocket dimension from which again... he discovered mainstream multiverse and went inside it and everything from SW 1 and 2 happened just like it originally did.

Originally posted by operator616
Alright.

There is an event called Secret Wars.

The event itself is still in continuity, so everything that happened in that comic book still happened by today's standards.

However, Beyonder himself was retconned into a lower power level and having different origins.

So for example: In original comics, Beyonder was the embodiment of a realm bigger than the entire multiverse who discovered the mainstream multiverse through a pin-hole in space. This is has been retconned away: Beyonder is just a child unit of the beyonders, he is from a pocket dimension from which again... he discovered mainstream multiverse and went inside it and everything from SW 1 and 2 happened just like it originally did.

No, why do you say that the lifeforce was above the Post-Retcon Beyonder? If Doom says that his power dwarfs the Beyonder's power before of his retcon. In this case, the lifeforce dwarfs the Pre-Retcon Beyonder's power, not?

Because there is no "pre-retcon" Beyonder in Marvel canon -- that is nothing more than a made-up battleboard term.

Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon(ie. canon) Beyonder, because again: "pre-retcon" Beyonder does not exist from an in-universe POV... That is the entire point of a retcon.

Originally posted by Galan007
Because there is no "pre-retcon" Beyonder in Marvel canon -- that is nothing more than a made-up battleboard term.

Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon Beyonder, because again: "pre-retcon" Beyonder doesn't canonically exist from an in-universe POV... That is the entire point of a retcon.

I agree with you Galan.

At some point, people should accept the character development and stop using those terms of pre and post-retcon.

But that's not what Galán says.