I realize what you did, but Ronan tried his best power attack and failed - a cheapshot hammer attack to the side of the head. That's not really an example of him not using his powers. Thanos just turned around and beat the shit out of him.
Not saying he would have used more powers, but in that case he was allowed all he could do.
Not saying that Juggernaut would win. But the Juggernaut doesn't need to breathe. He constantly walks on the bottom of the ocean. I am assuming the Deadpool issue recently was just a gag issue.
Ronan the Accuser could try to trap him in rock. Classic Juggernaut has just flexed his muscles and broke right out of a 50 foot steel cocoon like it was nothing. Unless Ronan has become stronger recently he is way weaker physically than the Juggernaut. He is less durable. So with no bfr I don't see how he could really win. Especially if you are using class Juggernaut who had a force field.
interesting. the reason why i left that stuck him in a rock thing, is because of other showings like recently iceman trapping juggernaut inside an ice block and juggernaut couldnt break free, also juggernaut getting overpowered by cement. once juggernaut got stuck inside a mountain and it was stated that it took him some long time to punch himself out of that mountain. i am not against juggy in this one, i think he can win, but trapping him inside something solid is IMO indeed an option.
Originally posted by Dareangelthis is true. Iceman used his powers to blast juggernaut with ice as cold as absolute zero. Guess who can do that too.
interesting. the reason why i left that stuck him in a rock thing, is because of other showings like recently iceman trapping juggernaut inside an ice block and juggernaut couldnt break free, also juggernaut getting overpowered by cement. once juggernaut got stuck inside a mountain and it was stated that it took him some long time to punch himself out of that mountain. i am not against juggy in this one, i think he can win, but trapping him inside something solid is IMO indeed an option.
Keep in mind that Ronan then fought the silver surfer for several pages and Nova still couldn't free herself.
Originally posted by deathslash
this is true. Iceman used his powers to blast juggernaut with ice as cold as absolute zero. Guess who can do that too.Keep in mind that Ronan then fought the silver surfer for several pages and Nova still couldn't free herself.
Nova isn't the Juggernaut though. Why would anything that Ronan had in his gag bag stop the Juggernaut? Ronan isn't a high herald either, if anything he'd be in the high meta to low herald range if we go according to what was said about him in the Annihilators. If you're going to use Cain's lowest showings an turn around and use Ronan's highest then i guess he wins this but both at their best should be Cain's fight to lose.
Ronan is and always has been a very versatile mid herald, he is in many ways Silver Surfer light with a hammer gimmick. Tbh, his versatility means he should beat all those without an insane power output like Thor or Superman, or those who do what he can better than him like the Surfer. Juggernaut does not need to breathe. Juggernaut still loses.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Ronan is and always has been a very versatile mid herald, he is in many ways Silver Surfer light with a hammer gimmick. Tbh, his versatility means he should beat all those without an insane power output like Thor or Superman, or those who do what he can better than him like the Surfer. Juggernaut does not need to breathe. Juggernaut still loses.
What? The moment that Ronan loses his hammer he loses like 3 tiers. I saw his fight against Ravenous. You're making him into far more than he actually is.
He was barely able to defeat Ravenous, and in my honest opinion, he got lucky. Again, what is he going to do to the Juggernaut at his best that beats anything that Thor hasn't tried?
The Juggernaut at his best is several times stronger than Ms. Marvel, and look what she did to him.
https://78.media.tumblr.com/305830549c940c6687b0fa2d506a221e/tumblr_oghf13MyPu1rvm5qqo7_1280.jpg
Originally posted by Stoiclol, didn't Ravenous sneak attak him at the start of the fight?
What? The moment that Ronan loses his hammer he loses like 3 tiers. I saw his fight against Ravenous. You're making him into far more than he actually is.He was barely able to defeat Ravenous, and in my honest opinion, he got lucky. Again, what is he going to do to the Juggernaut at his best that beats anything that Thor hasn't tried?
Freeze his movements completely.
Originally posted by Stoiclike how you completely ignore how he also got sneak attacked by Mar-vell.
The Juggernaut at his best is several times stronger than Ms. Marvel, and look what she did to him.https://78.media.tumblr.com/305830549c940c6687b0fa2d506a221e/tumblr_oghf13MyPu1rvm5qqo7_1280.jpg
I also like how you bring up how Ronan is mid meta based off of the Annihilators while completely ignoring that he oneshotted someone that even the freaking silver surfer couldn't handle.
Originally posted by deathslash
lol, didn't Ravenous sneak attak him at the start of the fight?Freeze his movements completely. like how you completely ignore how he also got sneak attacked by Mar-vell.
I also like how you bring up how Ronan is mid meta based off of the Annihilators while completely ignoring that he oneshotted someone that even the freaking silver surfer couldn't handle.
Mar-Vell was so weak that he could barely lift the chair strapped to his ass. Carol hit him and yeah it was lol worthy at how easily she put him to sleep. Cain would have laughed it off as he has been hit by Rogue who had the same amount of strength that Carol had at the time that she put Ronan to sleep. Please don't try to compare Ronan to Cain in terms of toughness, strength, stamina, or anything else that would matter if these two were to fight. Cain would walk up and down his spine.
What is Ronan going to do to the Juggernaut again? What pull his helmet off? Then what?
Originally posted by Stoic..... you're acting as if we don't already have on panel evidence of what absolute zero does to Juggernaut. You're acting as if he can even get close to the guy that can fly, cancel gravity, manipulate matter, and throw out omni-directional attacks that can knock bricks off of their feet.
Mar-Vell was so weak that he could barely lift the chair strapped to his ass. Carol hit him and yeah it was lol worthy at how easily she put him to sleep. Cain would have laughed it off as he has been hit by Rogue who had the same amount of strength that Carol had at the time that she put Ronan to sleep. Please don't try to compare Ronan to Cain in terms of toughness, strength, stamina, or anything else that would matter if these two were to fight. Cain would walk up and down his spine.What is Ronan going to do to the Juggernaut again? What pull his helmet off? Then what?
How about this, instead of playing the low-ball game, why don't you show me how Cain can even manage to cover the distance let alone get close enough to hit someone that can and will easily keep this fight to his advantage.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Juggernaut at his best is several times stronger than Ms. Marvel, and look what she did to him.https://78.media.tumblr.com/305830549c940c6687b0fa2d506a221e/tumblr_oghf13MyPu1rvm5qqo7_1280.jpg
Don't forget what John Walker did to poor Ronan...
Originally posted by deathslash
..... you're acting as if we don't already have on panel evidence of what absolute zero does to Juggernaut. You're acting as if he can even get close to the guy that can fly, cancel gravity, manipulate matter, and throw out omni-directional attacks that can knock bricks off of their feet.How about this, instead of playing the low-ball game, why don't you show me how Cain can even manage to cover the distance let alone get close enough to hit someone that can and will easily keep this fight to his advantage.
Let's talk about the No BFR clause that is in effect in this very thread.
Since Cain can not be removed from the battle field I would imagine that they are fighting in something similar to a steel cage that is inescapable until one of the two wins.
Cain is effectively immortal. Cain does not need to breathe. Cain does not need to eat, Cain does not tire.
Now let's talk about the matter manipulation and how ineffective it would be to a guy that begins off as unstoppable, with the added bonus of not being able to be removed from the battle field.
What are omni directional attacks going to do to Cain exactly? Are you forgetting what kind of damage sponge Cain is? Can you prove that Ronan has anything that can stop Cain?
The very idea that you brought up Ronan flying around unwilling to engage Cain tells me a lot. It means that you're admitting that he would be curbed up close and personal, unless you made the point for other reasons?
Now why couldn't a guy capable of ripping sky scrapers apart have trouble lobbing huge chunks of debris at Ronan? Did Ronan gain cosmic awareness or become a precog at some point that he can dodge everything that Cain can toss at him?
When did Ronan begin fighting the way that you're mentioning? From my recollection, Ronan is and has always been an up close and personal fighter. We saw it when he went up against Thor, we saw it when he went up against Thanos, we saw it when he went up against a nerfed Ravenous, we even saw it when he went up against Ms. Marvel way back in the day. So why would he change his character in this thread? Was CIS turned off?
We both know that if Cain got his hands on him, that he would beat the life out of him.
Is it possible that his Universal Weapon will do what Mjolnir could not?
Cain is protected by mystical forces, which has been shown throughout every appearance that he has had while not being reduced in power. So again, can you prove that Ronan would be able to do anything other than fly around shooting ineffective energy bolts at him?
This is exactly why I said that Cain would walk up and down his spine, and I'm saying it without low balling him. Ronan would need an entire team to defeat Cain at his best, and even then without the sake of plot induced shenanigans he/they might still lose.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Ronan is and always has been a very versatile mid herald, he is in many ways Silver Surfer light with a hammer gimmick. Tbh, his versatility means he should beat all those without an insane power output like Thor or Superman, or those who do what he can better than him like the Surfer. Juggernaut does not need to breathe. Juggernaut still loses.
Ronan is a low herald.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85finally, somebody that gets it. He doesn't even need to let Juggernaut get close and all he needs is for Juggernaut to be incapacitated long enough for a ten count.Ronan wins.
HOLD, FRIEND DARKSAINT! IT CLEARLY SAYS NO BFR!
I'm not saying he bfrs Juggy. He just cancels gravity and Juggy floats, uselessly.
Hell, he could make a field of lava around Juggernaut, use his TK to push him in as far down as possible and then use his matter/time manipulation to turn to the lava around Cain into diamond.
