@Phil...
Lol, he still had to over power him. No matter how you try to twist this showing, he physically overpowered Superman during that showing.
Lol..look at the position they are in, in your scan. That's all Superman had to do was snatch his hand away from Adam and punch him are you proud of that showing?
Originally posted by panthergod
Anexternally influencd and angrier than normal holding back Superman matched a high end above top tier portrayal of Black Adam who played on his honor to avoid an all out level punch.
When?
Superman was getting smacked around, and even explictly stated he didn't held back
Originally posted by carver9No, he didn't. You're blind and I caught you in a lie. *pats carver on the head*
Lol, he still had to over power him. No matter how you try to twist this showing, he physically overpowered Superman during that showing.
The moment Superman was about to end it, Black Adam turned his back on him, knowing he's a good guy.
Originally posted by carver9Ah, you got the special carver edition, with the extra-inserted panels?
Lol..look at the position they are in, in your scan. That's all Superman had to do was snatch his hand away from Adam and punch him are you proud of that showing?
Black Adam has Superman's fist in his hand, and the next panel that same fist is approaching his face:
https://imgur.com/DigJc4e
Oh, I get it. I have to draw red lines, no?
Superman, perhaps, even went to beat up Hulk, right between those actions. Anything is possible in carverland!
@Phil...
You have to be either just as strong or stronger to throw someone off of you like that. I can not see Colossus replicating that showing, can you? It was a test of strength.
Adam ended the fight because Superman was being manipulated, not because Superman could've defeated him. Remember, Superman was the one that admitted he couldnt move Adam out of the city, it wasnt the other way around. Then we have Adam just standing there allowing Superman to heat vision him...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784753-vs+superman+6.png
Lol... he even SIGHS and stands there and basically ask Superman to get his heat vision out of the way. Just get it over with. Lol... he was toying with Superman... the same Superman who admits he cant move Adam out of the city.
Stand down Superman...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784748-vs+superman+1.png
I am innocent, I will not tell you again...
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Yield Alien, you've been deceived...
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He then tells Superman after this that he regret what come to pass with this... its freaking hilarious because if anyone was holding back TREMENDOUSLY, it was Adam and Superman still couldnt move him while at the same time admitting fighting against Adam, he doesnt have to pull his punches.
Originally posted by carver9You said they 'grappled strength to strength, which is wrong. Black Adam grabbed Superman's wrists and yanked him away. That doesn't require superior strength, and you have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever grappled with somebody?
@Phil...You have to be either just as strong or stronger to throw someone off of you like that. I can not see Colossus replicating that showing, can you? It was a test of strength.
An actual push-to-push strength contest is what I showed you.
Originally posted by carver9
Adam ended the fight because Superman was being manipulated, not because Superman could've defeated him. Remember, Superman was the one that admitted he couldnt move Adam out of the city, it wasnt the other way around. Then we have Adam just standing there allowing Superman to heat vision him...https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784753-vs+superman+6.png
Lol... he even SIGHS and stands there and basically ask Superman to get his heat vision out of the way. Just get it over with. Lol... he was toying with Superman... the same Superman who admits he cant move Adam out of the city.
Stand down Superman...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784748-vs+superman+1.png
I am innocent, I will not tell you again...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784750-vs+superman+3.png
Yield Alien, you've been deceived...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784752-vs+superman+5.png
He then tells Superman after this that he regret what come to pass with this... its freaking hilarious because if anyone was holding back TREMENDOUSLY, it was Adam and Superman still couldnt move him while at the same time admitting fighting against Adam, he doesnt have to pull his punches.
Superman first tried to move him out of town. Once he saw that Black Adam doesn't want to leave, he decided to "end it fast". At that point, Superman realized that he has to beat him down. Black Adam took a risk, by his own admission, that Superman wouldn't punch him with a strike that would shatter a moon:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784754-vs+superman+7.png
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784755-vs+superman+8.png
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At no point Black Adam showed physical superiority. Superman showed it once, and Black Adam took a risk in Superman not hitting a non-fighting opponent.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol at Superman holding back during that scene. Why would he even mention not being able to move Adam from the center of the city if he wasnt trying?Adam have better showings tbh.
Lol... so an angry Superman being unable to do anything to a passive Adam proves that Superman is stronger?
Yes, it was. Even there Adam showed no strength advantage over a holding back Superman.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was literally shown going all out at the end of the fight and about to push Adam's shit in. That has been shown to you time and again.Yes, it was. Even there Adam showed no strength advantage over a holding back Superman.
So he was going all out at the "end" of the fight? In the middle and the beginning, he was holding back. Even though he said that he always worry about breaking people bones when fighting them but not having to worry about that when fighting Adam. Even though he said he cant move Adam out of the heart of the city, he was still holding back? What sense does that make? Why even bring up these things if you are holding back? Excuses. All I am reading are excuses. The only time Superman fans say Superman is going all out is when he is either winning or dominating a fight. If things are at a split, he is always holding back.
If anyone was holding back, it was Adam and Superman being incapable of moving Adam out of the city and getting tossed shows a strength advantage. Especially when your opponent is holding back and is trying to reason with you while you're on a rampaging punch and heat vision fest.
@Phil...
So Colossus can grab Superman wrist and toss him against his will?
Lol...Superman during the beginning of the fight already said he was tricked off, while blitz punching Adam in the chest. An Adam who wasnt even looking at him.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784749-vs+superman+2.png
I guess Superman is the exceptional. When he is pissed off, he doesnt try to drop his opponent (sigh).
This is crazy. Here we have Superman blitzing Adam admitting he is trying to push him out of the city and he fails at budging him...
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Lol... Adam force him back to earth.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784751-vs+superman+4.png
He said he was going to end it fast here and Adam withstood his heatvision without a scratch.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3784752-vs+superman+5.png
I honestly dont know how much evidence you need tbh. Adam words are an indication of him holding back and his action... hell, the way he was fighting as well.
Originally posted by carver9
So he was going all out at the "end" of the fight? In the middle and the beginning, he was holding back. Even though he said that he always worry about breaking people bones when fighting them but not having to worry about that when fighting Adam. Even though he said he cant move Adam out of the heart of the city, he was still holding back? What sense does that make? Why even bring up these things if you are holding back? Excuses. All I am reading are excuses. The only time Superman fans say Superman is going all out is when he is either winning or dominating a fight. If things are at a split, he is always holding back.If anyone was holding back, it was Adam and Superman being incapable of moving Adam out of the city and getting tossed shows a strength advantage. Especially when your opponent is holding back and is trying to reason with you while you're on a rampaging punch and heat vision fest.
Rest of your random gibberish? GTFO, this has been done to you literally hundreds of times.
Originally posted by Faceless808
You really like playing games, don't you, Carver? You stated, "You have to be either just as strong or stronger to throw someone off of you like that." And I showed you that your statement was wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.
But that's YOU ASSUMING, idk why you're applying "Oh well in martial arts they can do that" to a comic which never suggested it
Originally posted by Faceless808
You really like playing games, don't you, Carver? You stated, "You have to be either just as strong or stronger to throw someone off of you like that." And I showed you that your statement was wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.
I was mentioning that about the scene I posted, not about MMA fighters.
Carver, I really hope you are only playing dumb. I really do. You don't need to know martial arts to do something like that. It's called leverage. It's catching someone off guard. it's using your opponents weight and momentum against himself. I see it demonstrated in comics all the time. Remember when Ironman flipped Namor at Puget Sound when he was about to rip off his face plate? Guess what?
