Originally posted by h1a8
This is a forum fight where characters fight to the best of their ability AS SHOWN BEFORE.
Using scenes that contradict that is going against the rules.Superman has used speed and slow motion perception many times for it to be a viable option.
That's not how it works.
Originally posted by carver9
Panther is the worst I've seen, by far.
There is other users, more discreet, and as bad as he is. 😆
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Originally posted by panthergod
Prove your claim that Darkseid is less powerful than standard post Ressurrection thanos, then.*sigh*
I showed that a dying Zeus >>>>>>> Darskseid.
Prove your claim.
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Meanwhile, DD is WELL above Thanos physically, and a weakened Superman tore him apart.HAHAHAHAHA !
Because he beat the Justice League ?
Thanos from years ago backhand characters on that strength-class and Zeus was still superior to him.
Zeus beat the shit out of the Green Scar with no effort, he can amp his physicals.
Let's see that again:
Superman barely beat PROFESSOR HULK, whom becomes WEAKER when ENRAGED.
I'm not refferring to DoS, idiot. or Early 90's Superman, who is using a fraction of the power he is now.
Hulk wanted to die against Zeus.
Superman took attacks from a Universal magick amped Zeus.
Superman> Green Scar at the levels he was at against Zeus, easily.
In Marvel vs DC Superman was nowhere near his Darkseid beating levels. Darkseid was well above Mullet era Superman as shown in Hunger/Prey.
Im obviously talking about nu52 Superman vs nu52 Doomsday. nu52 Doomsday broke above top tier God of War Wonder Woman's arms with one strike.
Thanos has never done anyting as impressive for physical stats.
Zeus beat the shit out of GREEN SCAR whom is the strongest version of HULK.Zeus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman.
Hulk wanted to die. He was NOT anywherre near peak anger levels, like Worldbreaker levels, or even where he was at against Sentry.. 😂
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Zeus was worthy to wield Mjolnir. ntihing more.That's not the point.
The point is that Zeus was capable to pick Mjolnir and that Superman took it in the face.
Irrelevant you idiot. preventing an attack has nothing to do with withstanding one.
apples and oranges fool.
Zeus has better combat reflexes than Superman and is a better fighter.quote:
Thor foguth an extended fight against Zeus, matching his EP:With the help of Mjolnir, a skyfather-level weapon and an holding back Zeus, wow !
Superman didn't use his speed there literally floated there in place. that means Zeus is faster to a dumbass like you. 😂
Yeah, Superman did fasr better against a far superior opponent to Zeus, like Darkseid.
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BTW, Superman, ALSO, was holding back against Thor, as he in no way shape or form was going for the kill against a character he knew was physically inferior.[quote]
It doesn't matter what you want to believe.He BARELY beat Thor, whom never used his magical lightning once against him. laughing
It's not a matter of opinion. Superman doesn't use his full power against living beings, especially heroes he knows are physically inferior, for fear of killing people.
Thor absolutely used magick lightning against Superman--
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/53741/1145935-superman_vs_thor.jpg
Thor's magick lightining isn't potent enough to weaken Superman.
Further, you already concede that is Superman 1/2 what he is now.
So you've already conceded that Superman>>Thor.
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Futher, proving Worthy of Mjolnir is NOT the same as as blocking it via strength, as Superman did.*sigh*
Zeus didn't get the powers of Thor when he picked Mjolnir, being worthy has nothing to do with that and you are arguing Ex Culo once more.
Zeus is stronger than Green Scar when he amp his strength.
Superman is barely at the level of a watered down version of Hulk. laughing
Green Scar wanted to die. Thus, this feat is irrelevant.
Superman outperformed that Hulk against SBP/Time trapper, who is FAR more powerful.
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Actually, you do, as my argument isn't that Superman was equal to that amped Mordru, who is FAR above Zeus.[quote]
Mordru wasn't capable to beat a single ennemy during that fight.Zeus has beaten the Avengers effortlessly, this including She-Hulk, Thunderstrike and other characters that can beat Superman by themselves.
ion LO3W: he beat the LEgion(FAR above the Avengers, please argue otherwise) with ease liar:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_mordru_Lo3W1.jpg
Standard 30th century Mordru(>>Zeus):
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=495705&pagenumber=1
Oh, but Zeus did well against a weakened Thor(NOT Masterson you non comic reading idiot), Namor, She-Hulk and capt marvel/monica rambeau.
An Imperiex Probe is far more impressive.
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My point was that he withstood attacks from a being FAR above Zeus, and was able to punch his teeth out.He was saved by Kinetix.
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Zeus is nowhere near as powerful compared to Mordru amped with all 30th century magick. standard Mordru is above him, let alone the one from LO3W.He didn't perform even close to Zeus in LO3W.
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lol, No you didn't.You flat out lied about the context of Darkseid vs Galactus, and you've been exposed. First, that was a far less powerful Darkseid than the modern day Darkseid per the JK4w series and Genesis crossover. Galactus countered a Non physical attack dimensional BFR attack function of the Omega Effect--'the Wipe out'. Byrne established that Galactus' inherent nature is essential to space time. Darkseid nearly beat Galactus with a thought's worth of power output used as raw power, and that was a FAR less powerful Darkseid than the present per the same writer Byrne's canon.
bullshit again.
That's not what John Byrne said at all, you ugly little liar.
Comics canon>>interviews.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------P: Darkseid and Galactus seem awfully mismatched…
JB: yeah. One of the problems was, setting it up in such a way that Galactus didn’t take out Apokolips in three panels! But I was able to do that—I just made him real hungry and therefore very weak.
The main battle is actually between the Silver Surfer and Orion. Because this story takes place chronologically before Galactus first came to Earth, Mike Carlin pointed out that, chronologically speaking, this will be the first Marvel/DC crossover! [Laughing.] Then I just played with it from that point. In fact, it was funny, because at one point, Rob Simpson inherited the project as editor [because he has the Fourth World] and suggested that, perhaps it was the encounter with Galactus that gave Darkseid the idea to seek the Anti-Life Equation. And part of Darkseid’s history to be something you can never refer to again?!”[Laughing.]
Ok..?
Was any of that supposed to in any way alter my point, which is based on COMICS..?
Under Byrne, modern Darkseid absorbed multiple pantheons worth of power up to the present day:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-04-06.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-04-07.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-05-05.jpg
So.. by definition, UNDER BYRNE Darkseid in the Hunger was inferior to Present day Darkseid. Period.
further, Galactus was briefly beaten by a THOUGHTS WORTH of power from Darkseid and Surfer had to save his life:
https://imgur.com/a/1hav3h4
Meanwhile, modern Darkseid--post pantheon absorptions-- can use more power than the entire planet o Apokolips does in a year within moments under Byrne:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidVillains01_16.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidVillains01_17.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidVillains01_18.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidVillains01_19.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidVillains01_20.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidVillains01_21.jpg
Under Byrne's PRINTED CANON portrayal, Modern Darkseid>>>Darkseid at the time period of the Hunger..period. For some reason Byrne ONLY ahd Darkseid use a raw power attack via a thought--which threatened Galactu's life, then ONLY had Galactus withstand the dimensional BFR. Darkseid NEVER used more than a thought's worth fraction of his personal innate power expressed as physical force/raw power against Galactus, ever.
Byrne has Darksied use the exact same power that on a far higher scale( a thoughts worth of energy/few buildings worth of Apokolips threatened Galactus' life-- modern Ds can use more energy than the whole planet) after establishing that he got far more powerful since that point. Byrne pandering to a Mavel fanboy years later doesn';t change the printed facts, since per Byrne's canon, Darkseid was FAR less powerful than the present era, anyways. He has also stated that Darkseid is currently a peer to Galactus in power.
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Modern Ds is multiple Pantheons worth of power above he was in that story, and can exceed more raw energy than the entire planet Apokolips, where Galactus was felled by a throught worth of raw power from a far less powerful Darkseid.
using an inferior version of Darkseid, using a fraction of his power expressed as physical force to the one Superman defeated to prove Zeus is above Superman is laughable.
But typical for a dishonest idiot like you.You're a lying piece of garbage, and nothing you say is anything but a lie.
Concession accepted then coward.'ll tear that post apart with ease when I feel the patience to wade through your shitposting.
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You just exposed yourself adding context that doesn't exist about the story and lying about the author's interview.
No, YOU just exposed yourself as being an idiot who think writer interviews>>canonical fact. 😂
Zeus will trash Darkseid the same way he will trash Superman, without effort.
Darkseid dominates Thor and Surfer together. Zeus was stalemated by Thor.
Darkseid dominates the Legion(>>>Avengers)
Zeus gets beat up by mid level Class 70 character Ares.
Darkseid exceeds Zeus in every single respect. Your Galactus comparison was illiterate dishonest garbage. Byrne's modern Darkseid>>Darkseid in the Hunger, and even then DS never used more than a thought's worth of power output in terms of raw power against Galactus, whatsoever. So if in Byrne's non canon opinion a standard Galactus' being beyond an INFERIOR version of Darkseid to Byrne's modern Darkseid MEANS NOTHING here idiot. Superman fought and beat a Darksied more powerful than the one who fought in the Hunger anyway.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Darkseid is a known jobber. Even power girl bloodied him, and Alan Scott who was stalemated by kalibak beat his ass
.. Still far, FAR better than getting chumped by Areas and a spear.
And more lies? Alan was channelling 52 Earth's worth of the Green. He would have owned Zeus as well. And IIRC, Darkseid was specifically weakened there. Not that it matters as nu52 Darkseid is NOT what I';m referring to.. but hey, If you want to have him count, I'm PERFECTLY fine with that..:lol..
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
DC Bio had Darkseid confirmed as a rival/equally matched to N52 Superman who wasn't even near Post crisis superman levelsOr do you think N52 Superman can beat Galactus? say it so we can laugh
Superman could beat Imperiex Prime, according to Joe Casey. He's beaten better then Galactus.
He was planetary with the green. LOL "he would have owned zeus as well"
Riiight, that's why Power girl stalemated him to the point alan beat herby exploting her magic weakness etc right?
It's funny how comics always debunk your faulty delusional scaling
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
DC Bio had Darkseid confirmed as a rival/equally matched to N52 Superman who wasn't even near Post crisis superman levels
WTF? they were directly stated to be about equal idiot.
If anything nu52 Superman had a better average portrayal feat wise than Pre Flashpoint,
Or do you think N52 Superman can beat Galactus? say it so we can laugh
