Originally posted by panthergod
Yes, your bullshit is quite laughable as usual..
"ok"
You will continue to make-upp context like usual.
A less powerful Superman operating at levels and mindset nowhere near to where he will here.
Superman has no feats that put him in the same park as Zeus.
But thanks for the concession that that showing is irrelevant, as it was a far less powerful Superman.
The said Superman whom has better feats than Superman in Rebirth. Try again.
.. no more than Thor's lightning, which doesn't activate his magick weakness.small god magick from a small world isn't potent enough.
Stop trying to redefine the terms, you are the only one buying that shit.
Superman is vulneralbe to all magical abilities.
What I stated is fact.Marvel's small god magick lightning does not weaken Superman.
and anyway, his mindset means his standard magick weakness can be overcome anyway.
That's made-up bullshit. I don't even need to address that.
provide it then.
We don't know how strong the giants are.
Facts.Your knowledge is as laughable as your reasoning skills.
You are projectign again. Try harder.
Prove that Zeus=Odin in power and feats.
This isn't needed too.
It is stated as fact in the comics.
Then prove that Zeus is superior to the entire DC Olympian PAntheon.
What for ? I don't even need to do that.
Prove that claim.
A combined attack of Masterson with Mjolnir + She-hulk + Namor did nothing to Zeus at all.
Not even a scratch.
Darkseid(Who is FAR above Zeus in power--yeah, you heard me)
Disciple
Mordru w/Universal Magick
Earth Man (w/ most of the Legion's combined power)
Superboy Prime
Pure bullshit.
This is what REAL Darkseid is to galactus:
This is what Zeus lightning did to Galactus:
The rest of the character that you mentionned are just for the sake of your Argumentum Verbosium. I don't even need to debunk the bullshit.
And Mordru never throwed a magical attack capable to destroy one universe at Superman. That's pure bullshit.
A magical weakling like Atlas was literally able to humiliate Superman.
Prove your claim that Zeus is more durable than those characters, all of which Superman has damaged.
Zeus and Odin are stronger than Thanos. That's enough.
Blatant lie.By this reasoning, all Death Gods/Hell lords are equal in power because they share a title.
I's not about the title FFS.
Zeus is stated as Odin's equal in the comics. That's not even a discussion.
Hey Zuras and Prime Eternal Ikaris (equal to Zuras)are equal to Odin as well, right? 😂
More strawmen, bub.
I've never said it was about the title in the first place but you chosen to interpretate it that way. Nice lack of reading skills again.
Originally posted by carver9
Surprised this hasn't been postedhhttps://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75182/4347973-4486206167-42979.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75182/4347974-3697736528-42979.jpg
That is against standard lighting. This lightning bolt would have killed Superman...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111235134/4956628-hulkvszeus01621.jpg
Well played Carver ! 👆
Originally posted by NemeBro
What context for Zeus being pierced by a spear isn't being provided? A random no-name giant impaled Zeus with a thrown spear. That's the context. IIRC it wasn't made out of some anti-god material, and the giant was just one of many being fodderized by Hulk and Hercules. Scratch that, this giant is phucking one-shot by ARES.http://i.imgur.com/TIlbiwQ.jpg
If cherrypicking showings for Superman to claim Zeus can incinerate him is okay, then there is nothing wrong with pointing out Zeus being put down by garbage fodder would result in Superman two-piecing him tbh. 🙂|
Maybe Superman being beaten by a gargabe magical being like Atlas.
and here's a character name Anguish who can destroy cars and small walls and was able to beat Superman ass Ko'ing him
I can go on and on, I have tons. Superman's average is consistently FARRRRRRRRR below herald tier. but superman fans cherry pick his "high ends" ignoring the thousands of low ends he has
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and here's a character name Anguish who can destroy cars and small walls and was able to beat Superman ass Ko'ing himI can go on and on, I have tons. Superman's average is consistently FARRRRRRRRR below herald tier. but superman fans cherry pick his "high ends" ignoring the thousands of low ends he has
Agreed. 👆
Originally posted by panthergodNowadays Superman ... withstands the combined power of the ENTIRE OLYMPIAN PANTHEON.
Please. Argue that Marvel Zeus>> DC Olympus+Atlantis+CPB+Speed Force
I'm too curious not to ask:
Where did the bolded part above happen?
Can you provide scans, or issue numbers, or at least explain what happened well enough that the episodes referred to can be tracked down?
Originally posted by carver9
Surprised this hasn't been postedhhttps://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75182/4347973-4486206167-42979.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75182/4347974-3697736528-42979.jpgThat is against standard lighting. This lightning bolt would have killed Superman...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111235134/4956628-hulkvszeus01621.jpg
1st.. NOT current Superman. Irrelevant to this thread.
2nd.. you're a LIAR.
Here is the full fight:
https://comicnewbies.com/2016/08/08/superman-and-wonder-woman-vs-atomic-skull-and-major-disaster/
Superman was attacked by both Major Force before Major Florce hit him with lightning.
3rd.. still using circular logic, eh?
Even is this WAS relevant to this thread. you would ONLY be proving that Force, like Livewire, is ABOVE Thor's lightining(=Zeus', directly shown) that Superman withstood.
So you have irrelevant showings that you still LIED about. 😂
Nice try, kid,.
No, wait, actually, this was a pathetic attempt.
😮💨
Originally posted by RealityWarper
"ok"You will continue to make-upp context like usual.
Superman has no feats that put him in the same park as Zeus.
The said Superman whom has better feats than Superman in Rebirth. Try again.
You dont even know the character you're debating against!
Stop trying to redefine the terms, you are the only one buying that shit.Superman is vulneralbe to all magical abilities.
That's the term Superman himself invented: Thor's a small god from a small world whose dials don't go up to 11, just like Zeus.
small god Marvel lightning doesn't disrupt his durability. period.
That's made-up bullshit. I don't even need to address that.
Concession accepted.
Zeus isn't disrupting his durability, period.
We don't know how strong the giants are.
Ares chumped the **** out of Zeus too.
You are projectign again. Try harder.
This isn't needed too.It is stated as fact in the comics.
Concession accepted. Odin is WELL beyond Zeus in relative showings. period.
What for ? I don't even need to do that.
A combined attack of Masterson with Mjolnir + She-hulk + Namor did nothing to Zeus at all.Not even a scratch.
.. Is that supposed to be impressive compared to Superman's high end showings..? DoS Doomsday has a better durability showing against Superman+J'Onn/Bloodwynd+GL Guy Gardner+Booster Gold+Fire+Ice. oh, and that's was a weakened Thor.
Pure bullshit.This is what REAL Darkseid is to galactus:
1) non physical attack. Galactus withstood a dimensional BFR, the 'Wipe Out' application of the Omega Effect. Not a destructive blast of raw force. Byrne established in his FF run that Galactus is essential to the fabric of reality.
2) Darkseid chumped Galactus with a thought's worth of his own power output d in terms of physical force via those planetary constructs-- yes, Darkseid controls Apokolips like an exertetion of himself.
3) Byrne established that modern day Darkseid is FAR more powerful than he was due in the past circa that crossover to absorbing multiple Pantheons worth of power.
4) Byrne's modern Darkseid, using the same ability to control Apokolips, can exceed the entire output of Apokolips for a year with moments. Galactus was felled by a much weaker Darkseid's thought's worth of output.
So a lesser Darkseid (per Byrne's canon)briefly chumped a hungry Galactus with a tiny fraction of his own power output. Galactus, likewise, withstood the NON physical dimensional BFR 'Wipe out'
Superman beat Darkseid AFTER he had absorbed multiple pantheons worth of power per Byrne's JK4W and Genesis crossover.
Now, you're definitely far, FAR too stupid to comprehend the 100% irrefutable facts I stated, so this WILL go over your head. suffice it to say... you're argument is GARBAGE.
This is what Zeus lightning did to Galactus:[quote]
Irrelevant. Zeus was using a destructive force attack.
Darkseid NEVER attempted a destructive force energy blast against Galactus in the Hunger. He staggered and brief felled him via a thought's worth of power exertion via Apkolips constructs, and then attempted to dimensional BFR and wipe him out of time and space-- to a character defined by the writer as INTRINSIC to a structure of reality.
and IIRC, wasn't that Zeus possesed by the multiversal Chaos King?
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The rest of the character that you mentionned are just for the sake of your Argumentum Verbosium. I don't even need to debunk the bullshit.
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Translation: you don't know shit about these character's and cannot refute them.
so anyway:
Darkseid(Who is FAR above Zeus in power--yeah, you heard me)
Disciple - an Elder God, WELL above Zeus
Mordru w/Universal Magick - normally Skyfather level, and then further boosted by all magick in the universe-- FAr above Zeus)
Earth Man (w/ most of the Legion's combined power)
Superboy Prime
-- Superman has damaged each one of those characters.
And Mordru never throwed a magical attack capable to destroy one universe at Superman. That's pure bullshit.
Mordru had the combined magick of the 30th Century DCU.
Superman withstood his attacks and punched his teeth out.
even WITHOUT that powerup, He was already EASILY Skyfather level.
So that's ANOTHER character WELL above Zeus that Superman dominates.
A magical weakling like Atlas was literally able to humiliate Superman.
So another character's whose magick is more potent ahgainst Superman than small gods like Thor, who Zeus failed to outperform in lightning output..?
ok. 😂
Zeus and Odin are stronger than Thanos. That's enough.
Didn't think so.
Zeus has nothing whatsoever superior to those character's who Superman can damage.
I's not about the title FFS.Zeus is stated as Odin's equal in the comics. That's not even a discussion.
More strawmen, bub.I've never said it was about the title in the first place but you chosen to interpretate it that way. Nice lack of reading skills again.
According to YOUR argument, they are equal. Which, of course, is laughable bullshit.
Well played Carver ! 👆
Maybe Superman being beaten by a gargabe magical being like Atlas.
A
1) Not current Superman. irrelevant.
2)Atlas>>puny small god lightning in potency. Marvel's puny small gods magick isn't capable of disrupting Superman's durability.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Yeah Superman SUPPOSEDLY tanked the "combined" power of the olympian, but he also got ROCKED by aquaman.Thanos, Zeus, nor Odin would even move from aquaman hit.
zeus is on a whole another level in physical terms
How stupid are you..?
No, Superman isn't operating against one of his oldest allies at the same level he would against , say, Darkseid.
Yes, Class 100 characters can knock around a Superman who is holding back.
And, oh yeah, this was PRE Reborn Superman. off topic.
You're THIS stupid that you thought this was relevant?
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and here's a character name Anguish who can destroy cars and small walls and was able to beat Superman ass Ko'ing himI can go on and on, I have tons. Superman's average is consistently FARRRRRRRRR below herald tier. but superman fans cherry pick his "high ends" ignoring the thousands of low ends he has
Aaaaand more off topic trolling, citing a rookie nu52 Superman, not current Superman.
RW and Bazie have NOTHING. and it's hilarious. 😂
1. Darkseid never affected Galactus, Galan tanked his OB PURE Blank and annihilated Darkseid, period.
2. Superman wasn't holding back, he seemed pretty serious against aquaman.
3. Mordru being powered by the universe DOESN'T mean each of his attack is universal, SHOW Proof where it states he launched an attack with all the magic of the universe at Superman. I'll wait
4 Thor lightning was able to BREAK Odin universal seal, and match Motherstorm lightning. Show Atlas, or any lightning of those that's one-shotted Superman doing either of that. I'll wait
5. Rebirth Superman is only PC/N52 with half of his memories lost. The Braniac black hole feat doesn't even exist anymore ACCORDING to his timeline in action comics.
Originally posted by NemeBro
What context for Zeus being pierced by a spear isn't being provided? A random no-name giant impaled Zeus with a thrown spear. That's the context. IIRC it wasn't made out of some anti-god material, and the giant was just one of many being fodderized by Hulk and Hercules. Scratch that, this giant is phucking one-shot by ARES.http://i.imgur.com/TIlbiwQ.jpg
If cherrypicking showings for Superman to claim Zeus can incinerate him is okay, then there is nothing wrong with pointing out Zeus being put down by garbage fodder would result in Superman two-piecing him tbh. 🙂|
👆
I'm far from being a Superman fan, but I won't pretend that Zeus consists of nothing else than his lucky showing against the Hulk.
Originally posted by panthergod
[B]You're the idiot who claimed a shared feat of Rpogue and Sentry was sentry's alone. nothing you say will ever be relevant kid.
Rogue action was shown, on panel, to be irrelevant.
Your opinion doesn't matter.
.. Is that why he beats the shit out of characters WELL above Zeus?
You mean when he struggle and lose against lowlings and call the JLA to the rescue.
We clearly don't read the same comics.
I mean that I'm not reading the comics that only exist inside your head.
What? They're the SAME GUY idiot! 😂You dont even know the character you're debating against!
Nope. New 52 Superman is HALF of post-crisis Superman and half of Superman Rebirth as Rebireth is post-crisis reunited.
That's the term Superman himself invented: Thor's a small god from a small world whose dials don't go up to 11, just like Zeus.
A small god against Superman barely won when Thor was holding back and not using his powers like the lightning or Mjolnir's abilities. 😆
And he said that he was one of the thoughest opponent he had... Thor ! LOL
small god Marvel lightning doesn't disrupt his durability. period.Concession accepted.
Zeus isn't disrupting his durability, period.
So nothing, then.
Ares chumped the **** out of Zeus too.
Magic will ignore Superman's durability. He is vulnerable to it and Zeus is still vastly more powerful than the characters that Superman face on a daily basis.
Considering how he struggled against PRPFESSOR HULK, Zeus will annihilate Superman in a slugfest.
I dont have to try to laugh at your stupidity son.
So no proof, then?Concession accepted. Odin is WELL beyond Zeus in relative showings. period.
Feats aren't needed.
They are directly referenced as equals in the comics. That's all that is needed.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/124590/3683563-9419244268-29812.jpg
So you concede that Zeus cannot destroy Superman, which you lied about. Concession accepted.
The comparisons that have been made in that thread are enough.
You are wilfully ignoring them and... Your opinion doesn't matter.
You don't beat facts with an opinion.
.. Is that supposed to be impressive compared to Superman's high end showings..? DoS Doomsday has a better durability showing against Superman+J'Onn/Bloodwynd+GL Guy Gardner+Booster Gold+Fire+Ice. oh, and that's was a weakened Thor.
Thunderstrike is still as powerful as Mjolnir.
If you put Superman at the place of Zeus he get destroyed.
This has been utterly debunked.1) non physical attack. Galactus withstood a dimensional BFR, the 'Wipe Out' application of the Omega Effect. Not a destructive blast of raw force. Byrne established in his FF run that Galactus is essential to the fabric of reality.
This never happened. You continue to making-up shit because you are desperate.
Galactus state on panel that Darkseid is an insect to him.
He still put him on his knees while holding back and that's a STARVING Galactus IIRC.
2) Darkseid chumped Galactus with a thought's worth of his own power output d in terms of physical force via those planetary constructs-- yes, Darkseid controls Apokolips like an exertetion of himself.
3) Byrne established that modern day Darkseid is FAR more powerful than he was due in the past circa that crossover to absorbing multiple Pantheons worth of power.
He still an insect to Galactus. XD
4) Byrne's modern Darkseid, using the same ability to control Apokolips, can exceed the entire output of Apokolips for a year with moments. Galactus was felled by a much weaker Darkseid's thought's worth of output.
That's still below what EGO, the living planet, has shown against Galactus. XD
So a lesser Darkseid (per Byrne's canon)briefly chumped a hungry Galactus with a tiny fraction of his own power output. Galactus, likewise, withstood the NON physical dimensional BFR 'Wipe out'
He did nothing to Galactus.
Superman beat Darkseid AFTER he had absorbed multiple pantheons worth of power per Byrne's JK4W and Genesis crossover.
It doesn't matter where Darkseid's power comes from.
I proved that he is below Galactus....
Even New 52 Darkseid struggle against Powergirl.
That's laughable.
Now, you're definitely far, FAR too stupid to comprehend the 100% irrefutable facts I stated, so this WILL go over your head. suffice it to say... you're argument is GARBAGE.
1) Your* Go open an English book.
2) You should not critisize my intelligence when you are wilfully igiring feats and making-up stuff.
Translation: you don't know shit about these character's and cannot refute them.
Nope.
The feats shown in this thread are more than enough to understand that Zus wins effortlessly.
so anyway:
Darkseid(Who is FAR above Zeus in power--yeah, you heard me)
Disciple - an Elder God, WELL above Zeus
Mordru w/Universal Magick - normally Skyfather level, and then further boosted by all magick in the universe-- FAr above Zeus)
Earth Man (w/ most of the Legion's combined power)
Superboy Prime
That's your opinion.
Facts says otherwise.
-- Superman has damaged each one of those characters.
*throwing stuff without context and while making-up things has no value as an argument*
Try again
Well, I never ever said anything like that stupid ass display of illiteracy your just displayed.
*sigh*
You are projecting again.
Mordru had the combined magick of the 30th Century DCU.Superman withstood his attacks and punched his teeth out.
Mordru's attack was effective and its power was still unknown.
Superman was saved by Kinetix whom blasted him before, talking about a shared feat...
even WITHOUT that powerup, He was already EASILY Skyfather level.So that's ANOTHER character WELL above Zeus that Superman dominates.
Rofl.
Again, your reading of the fights in Legion of Three Worlds is bullshit.
Zeus has one-shot characters in the same class as Superman, like Thor or Hulk, with his lightning.
Mordru has massively to do anything as effective in Legion of Three Worlds.
So another character's whose magick is more potent ahgainst Superman than small gods like Thor, who Zeus failed to outperform in lightning output..?ok. 😂
Mordru is so potent that he failed to one-shot a character in Hulk's class.
Wow ! Impressive !
So you have nothing, then..?
Didn't think so.Zeus has nothing whatsoever superior to those character's who Superman can damage.
*sigh*
Argumentum Ad Nauseam.
The feats have been posted. Your opinion doesn't matter.
That's doesn't mean shit, really. Zeus doesn't match Odin's showings. Therefore he is less powerful and has a lesser average portrayal.
What you want to believe doesn't matter.
Hey idiot, Zuras was SPECIFICALLY portrayed as equal to Zeus and Odin. PE Ikaris has the same power Zuras. has. Apocalypse chumped PE Ikrais IIRC.
Zuras isn't as powerful as Zeus...
He is still the leader of the Eternals.
They briefly had a clash and Zuras briefly matched Zeus in ENERGY PROJECTION. IT doesn't mean that they are equals.
Zuras is portrayed as vastly less powerful than Zeus.
Two incredible stupid individuals like you two WOULD co sign the same abortion of logic with off topic BS.
You aren't in position to judge anyone intelligence.
1) Not current Superman. irrelevant.
It is...
Post-crisis Superman was splitted in two during 10 years before being re-united in Rebirth.
2)Atlas>>puny small god lightning in potency. Marvel's puny small gods magick isn't capable of disrupting Superman's durability.
Rofl.
Even Thor without his hammer has better feats than Atlas. 😆
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