According to Snoke and Luke, Rey possess the same raw strength as Kylo.
However, raw power/potential doesn't mean a whole lot if you have no clue how to actually use it. Rey needs a teacher --both Kylo and Luke said as much-- and evidently her 'teacher' will be in the form of these primordial Jedi texts that she has a metaphysical connection to.
...Though I think it'd be great if Luke's ghost appeared to Rey and helped connect the dots/gaps in her training as well. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
According to Snoke and Luke, Rey possess the same raw strength as Kylo.However, raw power/potential doesn't mean a whole lot if you have no clue how to actually use it. Rey needs a teacher --both Kylo and Luke said as much-- and evidently her 'teacher' will be in the form of these primordial Jedi texts that she has a metaphysical connection to.
...Though I think it'd be great if Luke's ghost appeared to Rey and helped connect the dots/gaps in her training as well. /shrug
Maybe it'll be Yoda, since he's gonna appear to her, unless he just appears to tell her what a great Jedi she is according to articles, not sure how that adds up but ok...books being her teachers seem really...lackluster given who she is suppose to be in this new series.
Originally posted by MendaxRey is essentially the will of the cosmic force made manifest. A means of balance.
What's your take on this? going by the quote u posted on the last page she does have a strong connection to them. I wonder why?
Clearly she is connected to the books on a very deep level. The force itself drew her to the books, and wanted her to have them.
I believe that the force wants to be 'reset'. It wants her to learn the ways of the ancient(and possibly more 'pure'😉 Jedi. It wants her to use that knowledge as the basis for what she will inevitably become(and ultimately pass-on.)
Imo.
Originally posted by ZenwolfI don't mind it, because the 'Disney alternative' would be Rey appearing in Episode IX with her knowledge/power massively increased, and no explanation given for the sudden boost... At least this is *something*. /shrug
Maybe it'll be Yoda, since he's gonna appear to her, unless he just appears to tell her what a great Jedi she is according to articles, not sure how that adds up but ok...books being her teachers seem really...lackluster given who she is suppose to be in this new series.
Aside from that, it's not like it'd be an unprecedented plot-point. I mean, that's basically how Luke acquired the bulk of his knowledge as well: holocrons and books. Granted, he had received a bit more formal training from Yoda beforehand, but that training was still very much incomplete. /shrug
But yeah, it'd be cool for Yoda's ghost to instruct Rey as well -- seeing him train one last generation of Jedi before he sublimates into the force permanently. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
Rey is essentially the will of the cosmic force made manifest. A means of balance.Clearly she is connected to the books on a very deep level. The force itself drew her to the books, and wanted her to have them.
I believe that the force wants to be 'reset'. It wants her to learn the ways of the ancient(and possibly more 'pure'😉 Jedi. It wants her to use that knowledge as the basis for what she will inevitably become(and ultimately pass-on.)
Imo.
I don't mind it, because the 'Disney alternative' would be Rey appearing in Episode IX with her knowledge/power massively increased, and no explanation given for the sudden boost... At least this is *something*. /shrug
Aside from that, it's not like it'd be an unprecedented plot-point. I mean, that's basically how Luke acquired the bulk of his knowledge as well: holocrons and books. Granted, he had received a bit more formal training from Yoda beforehand, but that training was still very much incomplete. /shrug
But yeah, it'd be cool for Yoda's ghost to instruct Rey as well -- seeing him train one last generation of Jedi before he sublimates into the force permanently. 👆
That and Luke also appears to be learning from other Force sects and teachers if the comics are anything to go by.
But I mean fair enough, the lack of Force Users in the ST seem apparent(not sure how, but ok) so sure books teaching her are at least something it just doesn't seem...personal? I suppose, along with her downloading Kylo's mind(I couldn't type that with a straight face tbh).
As far as Yoda teaching her? Eh...that would be weird given how is she suppose to even know about him? Unless he just appears to her because reasons. Honestly though my optimism is kinda low for the next movie after what TLJ did.
I agree with most of what you said. Frankly I'm just trying to rationalize the ST at this point, lol.
Indeed Luke's learning was pretty diverse(albeit hands-off)... The bulk of his knowledge likely stemmed from the numerous holocrons/texts he found in Jocasta's makeshift classroom, though. That woman was *the* single most knowledgeable being in existence, across *all* areas of the force(both light and dark)... As Sheev himself said: "Jocasta Nu knows EVERYTHING." If Luke inherited even a fraction of her knowledge, I can understand why Snoke feared his return... But that's neithere here nor there.
My point is just that a great deal of knowledge/power can be gleaned from the ancient books that Rey is studying -- especially when we consider the possibility that the texts are SO ancient that she could be learning shit that had been long-forgotten by the previous Jedi Order. She could be learning entirely new methodologies, ideals, and even abilities.
...I'm intrigued to see where this goes, tbh. srug
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree with most of what you said. Frankly I'm just trying to rationalize the ST at this point, lol.Indeed Luke's learning was pretty diverse(albeit hands-off)... The bulk of his knowledge likely stemmed from the numerous holocrons/texts he found in Jocasta's makeshift classroom, though. That woman was *the* single most knowledgeable being in existence, across *all* areas of the force(both light and dark)... As Sheev himself said: "Jocasta Nu knows EVERYTHING." If Luke inherited even a fraction of her knowledge, I can understand why Snoke feared his return... But that's neithere here nor there.
My point is just that a great deal of knowledge/power can be gleaned from the ancient books that Rey is studying -- especially when we consider the possibility that the texts are SO ancient that she could be learning shit that had been long-forgotten by the previous Jedi Order. She could be learning entirely new methodologies, ideals, and even abilities.
...I'm intrigued to see where this goes, tbh. srug
I guess we'll see what's what, but again not holding my breath too much.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I thought Rey didnt need training. She just needed Kylo to train then the Force would simply Make Rey his equal.
Pretty much, but knowledge and training are different. And there's also lightsaber training, although she already knows her way around a weapon from Jakku. Though she's not as good as Kylo as we see from the Preatorian fight, so maybe she could use more.
Originally posted by Galan007
According to Snoke and Luke, Rey possess the same raw strength as Kylo.However, raw power/potential doesn't mean a whole lot if you have no clue how to actually use it. Rey needs a teacher --both Kylo and Luke said as much-- and evidently her 'teacher' will be in the form of these primordial Jedi texts that she has a metaphysical connection to.
...Though I think it'd be great if Luke's ghost appeared to Rey and helped connect the dots/gaps in her training as well. /shrug
I think of it as being in different categories
-force power
-force knowledge
-control over the force
She has the most potential, as in the most raw power, but she and Kylo both have as much command of the force as each other (darkness rises and the light to meet it, and Kylo didn't know that Rey shared a bond with him and would rise to meet his level). The books will teach her knowledge, and Luke's ghost will probably teach her more control. And I'm pretty sure Luke's gonna be there, 'cause he said "See you around, kid."
Originally posted by Galan007
Essentially, her Jedi 'fundamentals' are comings from some of the most ancient sources in existence. She could potentially learn things that have been lost for generations... Or at the very least she's learning from sources that are presumably more 'raw' in their teachings. /shrug
So don't be surprised when Rey pulls some never before seen powers out of her ass, cuz ancient Jedi texts. 👆
So... Out of curiosity, I kinda wonder how many people here are complaining about Rey's growth, but have never complained about Nomi Sunrider. Or Kyle Katarn. Or any of the other many examples in Legends of characters who have never used a lightsaber before suddenly being able to fight equally with trained combatants.