Texas and Democracy

Started by Surtur3 pages

I did read. The cost is worth it considering what else an ID allows you to do.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
It helps to be informed of what you speak of surt. Give it a try:
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

Kettle and Pot fam:
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

If you're going to act indignant on the basis of knowledge. Make sure you know what you're talking about.

It's not relevant. If she doesn't have the right to vote, why should she follow laws she had no say in.

That 11 million number seems far too high. And it turns out, my intuition is correct. "Photo ID" appears to be a red herring. It's being used, while not necessary to get a voter's ID, to help inflate that number.

I think a more solid study on this more honest:

And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.

https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id

3 million? I can live with that. That's less than 1% of the population. Why is this voting iD thing being blown out of proportion? Why is it being passed off as some huge sort of injustice? It's a bullshit argument.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Wait really? I remember being taught in middle school that "cruel and usual" could be applied to the length of a term or how a court case proceeds. If not, it certainly should be.

Nope, we agree. And you're partially correct. Your particular point applies to minors - if they committed the crimes when minors, it would be cruel and unusual to sentence them to death (or something like that) or to life in prison for non-violent offenses. There was a supreme court case that ruled onthis. And I cannot remember it off the top of my head.

Originally posted by Surtur
I did read. The cost is worth it considering what else an ID allows you to do.

The government has no right to ask you to pay for a right.

It has every right to demand you prove your citizenship before you can vote for the laws people in the nation live under.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The government has no right to ask you to pay for a right.

Do you also also apply that standard to the 2nd amendment?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It has every right to demand you prove your citizenship before you can vote for the laws people in the nation live under.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Do you also also apply that standard to the 2nd amendment?

Yes I’m fine with background checks being a thing.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Do you also also apply that standard to the 2nd amendment?

The second ammendement doesn't say you entitled to a gun, it says you have a right to purchase one.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It has every right to demand you prove your citizenship before you can vote for the laws people in the nation live under.

The government doesn't have rights. Any citizenship check needs to be free and easy to access for everyone. Otherwise it's an encroachment on the rights of the people.

https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/1462...o-government-id

3 million? I can live with that. That's less than 1% of the population. Why is this voting iD thing being blown out of proportion? Why is it being passed off as some huge sort of injustice? It's a bullshit argument.


What's up with the disparity in the numbers between my source and your source?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The second ammendement doesn't say you entitled to a gun, it says you have a right to purchase one.

No "bear arms" means to have and use...

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/bear-arms

What's more, if "The government has no right to ask you to pay for a right.", it means they actually shouldn't tax you when you buy one.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The second ammendement doesn't say you entitled to a gun, it says you have a right to purchase one.

No. It says the government can't infringe on your rights to keep and bare arms. The 2A doesn't grant you that right.

Originally posted by Playmaker
No. It says the government can't infringe on your rights to keep and bare arms. The 2A doesn't grant you that right.

"Can't infringe" doesn't mean it has to "give you" arms to bear.

Originally posted by darthgoober

What's more, if "The government has no right to ask you to pay for a right.", it means they actually shouldn't tax you when you buy one. [/B]


Sure. But that applies to all taxes on private property. You could arrgue taxes are unconstitutional if you want.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Sure. But that applies to all taxes on private property. You could arrgue taxes are unconstitutional if you want.

Yeah you can make that argument, I'm asking if you yourseld DO make it in regards to guns since they're a right.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
"Can't infringe" doesn't mean it has to "give you" arms to bear.

Yeah it just means they can't/shouldn't try to stop you... that's kind of the whole point. No one's asking for free guns from the government, only to continue being able to get them from merchants unimpeded.

yes for voting system, proper identification process is highly required. The requirement arises from of point of mistreating of democratic right and also wrong usage of the right as well as define by essay writer in the international journal of democracy.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It has every right to demand you prove your citizenship before you can vote for the laws people in the nation live under.

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Originally posted by Playmaker
No. It says the government can't infringe on your rights to keep and bare arms. The 2A doesn't grant you that right.

Exactly. Our rights come from God. The 2nd amendment just officially declares a right that we already naturally have. Our rights don't come from government, despite what lefties think.

And to the creator of this thread, the United States is a republic, NOT a "democracy."

-Our rights come from god and not the government

-The government can take away our rights

Government > god

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
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Exactly. Our rights come from God. The 2nd amendment just officially declares a right that we already naturally have. Our rights don't come from government, despite what lefties think.

And to the creator of this thread, the United States is a republic, NOT a "democracy."