Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Yeah. Bucky was basically no-selling shots to the face before he tried to pry the arc reactor off.
That bit made no sense to be honest. He took the punches to the face without any problems, yet the repulsor shot after getting his arm destroyed basically oneshots him for the rest of the fight, and leaves him with a bloody face IIRC. It's just like, wut?
Originally posted by FrothByte
An emotional Tony, punching WS multiple times with the intention to kill... and still not being able to KO Bucky or even break his nose is indeed PIS.
The SSS doesnt only grant extreme durability but also an amazing healing factor.
I dont think its PIS.
It would be PIS for Tony to be able to one punch break WS or Cap.
Originally posted by Surtur
Tony's 1st IM suit that he didn't make from supplies he found in some cave...was able to stop a car from moving at only like 20% of its power.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That bit made no sense to be honest. He took the punches to the face without any problems, yet the repulsor shot after getting his arm destroyed basically oneshots him for the rest of the fight, and leaves him with a bloody face IIRC. It's just like, wut?
Team gets f'n obliterated. Tony was clearly pulling his punches against Cap. He was trying to kill Winter Soldier for a bit but Cap at this point is way stronger than Luke Cage. Civil War alone proved that. Cap isn't quite as durable but his shield was a HUGE boon to his team in that 2v1. Luke and IF don't have that. Also, cap is a better fighter than either BY FAR. Iron man can tank missile Luke and even if he doesn't a shotgun blast to the head can ko him as we saw in Jessica Jones. Tony has a lot more firepower at his disposal than that. Tony obliterates.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Team gets f'n obliterated. Tony was clearly pulling his punches against Cap. He was trying to kill Winter Soldier for a bit but Cap at this point is way stronger than Luke Cage. Civil War alone proved that. Cap isn't quite as durable but his shield was a HUGE boon to his team in that 2v1. Luke and IF don't have that. Also, cap is a better fighter than either BY FAR. Iron man can tank missile Luke and even if he doesn't a shotgun blast to the head can ko him as we saw in Jessica Jones. Tony has a lot more firepower at his disposal than that. Tony obliterates.
Before getting to anything else, you realise that Luke is canonically (confirmed via both feats and statements in LC s2) more durable now than he was back in JJ s1, right?
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerWell, admittedly I haven't watched LC s2 yet due to not really enjoying the first one. But unless he got a major upgrade in s2 then IM definitely has the ability to put him down fairly easily. Again, what REALLY matters is this:
Before getting to anything else, you realise that Luke is canonically (confirmed via both feats and statements in LC s2) more durable now than he was back in JJ s1, right?
Bucky is an assassin nearly on par with Cap in strength and other stats.
And Cap is: Faster, Stronger and a far, FAR better fighter than either LC or IF. The only thing that the team has over IM is Luke's durability...but again, Tony should have the tech to put him down. I'll have to watch s2 to see what kind of amazing upgrade you're referring to.
Well, until you either watch LC s2 or at least catch up on the feats/info, taking this conversation further is pointless.
And just to be clear, without the CA:CW PIS factor in play, Tony does win here in both. But both Luke and Danny are definitely better than they were previously. In Luke's case, pretty much across the board.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerI agree that Tony should have won against Cap/bucky. That suit he was using was trash. IM1 suit or his nano suit would absolutely obliterate Cap/bucky in seconds.
Well, until you either watch LC s2 or at least catch up on the feats/info, taking this conversation further is pointless.And just to be clear, without the CA:CW PIS factor in play, Tony does win here in both. But both Luke and Danny are definitely better than they were previously. In Luke's case, pretty much across the board.
In the pure h2h fight, I actually feel like Danny will be a bigger threat than Cage. While LC can hit hard, he doesn't hit as hard as Danny's full-powered IF. And though Danny probably won't survive a direct hit from IM, he should be fast and skilled enough to evade enough hits to land an IF or two.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I agree that Tony should have won against Cap/bucky. That suit he was using was trash. IM1 suit or his nano suit would absolutely obliterate Cap/bucky in seconds.
Most of the internet, with the exception of the diehard Cap fantards, agree that Tony should have won in CA:CW, suspect suit or not. They even made a HISHE specifically to mock him about it lol:
Originally posted by FrothByte
In the pure h2h fight, I actually feel like Danny will be a bigger threat than Cage. While LC can hit hard, he doesn't hit as hard as Danny's full-powered IF. And though Danny probably won't survive a direct hit from IM, he should be fast and skilled enough to evade enough hits to land an IF or two.
Yeah, and while it has little bearing on this actual match, Danny looks like he just hits harder overall than he did previously. Not sure if it's because they've stepped up the choreography for him, but his hits just look like they have a lot more weight behind them.
And he seems able to summon the Iron Fist WAY more quickly and easily than he has done previously. He used to generally need a few seconds of constipation face for his fist to glow. Now he does it much more casually.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The repulsors are supposed to hit harder than the suit's normal punches though.
And the bloody face was from the kick he gave Bucky when Bucky grabbed his leg near the end of the fight
And the inconsistencies doesn't end there either. With both his left and right arm on separate times in the fight Tony did a punch catch, and blocked an elbow from the metal arm yet he gets overpowered by the normal arm and cannot pry it off his face, and doesn't even get a cosmetic damage when struck with the end of the shield with the metal arm twice, and the first time Bucky was using both his arms and had the momentum of a jump behind his blow (when Tony had Cap pinned)
And earlier in the fight Tony was able to take Cap out with a single boast yet later multiple ones can't
And Tony countered both solo and together earlier bin the fight, but near the end need F.R.I.D.A.Y to fight
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Normally, sure. But they barely scorched the walls during the final fight when they should have been blasting holes in them.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Most of the internet, with the exception of the diehard Cap fantards, agree that Tony should have won in CA:CW, suspect suit or not.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
His arm was running low on batteries?