Carver Talks: Comparisons

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I'm going to work tomorrow so zero chance. 5-10 percent chance otherwise.

I can make a prediction though that you'll convince PantherGod and piss off Quan and IT. Jury is out on Marcus.

You seem to think I actually care. All I wanted was a different type of thread and furthering that would actually be very much appreciated. When it gets quoted every thread is when I'll wonder if I should reply or not, because right now I need about 20-30 words (ignoring scans) to correct everything you wrote. I'll see if I work up from my laziness to finish off my Cyke/Havok comparisons before I go to bed. I actually really want to get that out there but I also want to have no aim for my last day. Either way I have about half of what I need done. srug

Second time you've mentioned Cyke/Havok. Dont know if you're playing or if you are serious. If you are serious, which thread is this?

I wouldnt have posted in this if you wasnt going to reply to anything I've said.

You've been challenged by SEVERAL others, Gammite!

FACE THEM COWARD!!!

They are small fry. My main goal is to own either Bran, Galan or Operator.

Originally posted by carver9
Second time you've mentioned Cyke/Havok. Dont know if you're playing or if you are serious. If you are serious, which thread is this?

I wouldnt have posted in this if you wasnt going to reply to anything I've said.

I really don't understand why you'd want me to reply though. You'd think my silence would be a win in your book.

I don't personally want to argue in this thread. I just want to see what creative things people can come up with using actual comics. You, abhi, and even LoB have done so. Let some shit out you think compares without worrying about the ins and outs of context. Literally tailor made for you to compare Hulk to everyone using comics. If you can't understand this, I can't help you. I'm not saying not to argue with anyone, but I just will try to abstain is all.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You've been challenged by SEVERAL others, Gammite!

[B]FACE THEM COWARD!!! [/B]

Pretty obvious I'm scared of Carver. He needs to move on from humiliating me imo.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
That first line is a good reason why I don't feel the need to reply. Lack of understanding bud. Cyke/Havok is just for funsies, and general curiosity. I think I said I'd do it on the first page.

I really don't understand why you'd want me to reply though. You'd think my silence would be a win in your book.

I don't personally want to argue in this thread. I just want to see what creative things people can come up with using actual comics. You, abhi, and even LoB have done so. Let some shit out you think compares without worrying about the ins and outs of context. Literally tailor made for you to compare Hulk to everyone using comics. If you can't understand this, I can't help you. I'm not saying not to argue with anyone, but I just will try to abstain is all.

👆

Pretty obvious I'm scared of Carver. He needs to move on from humiliating me imo.

Understandable.

Originally posted by carver9
They are small fry. My main goal is to own either Bran, Galan or Operator.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
😂

The Operator is out of your league, Carver!

Bran is a COWARD who won't enter the Battlezone!

Easy Prey!

Originally posted by carver9
They are small fry. My main goal is to own either Bran, Galan or Operator.

Originally posted by psycho gundam

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Bran is a COWARD who won't enter the Battlezone!

Easy Prey!

Originally posted by panthergod
No, Titty, your low testosterone issues will not be solved by overcompensating with emo rage. Wipe the mascara from your tear stained face kid. 😂 Don't worry, boy. your future chemo sessions will give you perspective.. 😮‍💨

So you're still too much of a p*ssy to answer the goddamned question..? typical fake e-tough Titty.

Answer the question like the pitiful excuse for manhood you are pretending to be or be self admitted weak minded chump we both know you have always been and will always be.

Yes or No: Has Hulk reached a level of physical power above Thanos, yes or no.

If you can’t understand the topic that’s your problem not mine you dumb fat shit.

“Post resurrection “ 😂 you f*ggot trying add disclaimers to aid your point.

Yeah Thanos beats down ppl consistently using physical means greater than the Hulk does.

If Havok comes out of the comparison looking bad then I will mount a counter-comparison.

Just to keep PRs confidence in the shitter where it belongs.

Originally posted by panthergod
.. So nothing, then..?

Because phoenix Force Thanos was an externally powered up Thanos. Irrelevant.

Beating 2 top tiers is NOT that impressive, he Specifically avoided physical fight with Gladiator(hmmm wonder why..)

Tanking a blast that can kill top tiers is nothing compared to evaporating above top tiers with a shockwave.. 😂

Cry more

Originally posted by krisblaze
If Havok comes out of the comparison looking bad then I will mount a counter-comparison.

Just to keep PRs confidence in the shitter where it belongs.

I actually thought for sure Cyke would edge him out, but that doesn't seem to be the case, so rest easy. Havok has some ridiculous feats, and a lot I can't use. I still have a couple dudes to go through though so maybe that changes... probably not though. I remember Cyke coming out terrible in the Cap Britain fight so yeah... haven't gone through stuff like that yet.

As long as Pr ends up looking bad

well, this seemed like a good idea at the time... lol

Havok vs Cyclops

For the purposes of this, I will be avoiding full fights, massive Havok amps (some though), Sentinel destroying, collateral damage, and generally weak little attacks that are used against people like Storm and the like. It will be heavy attacks against people that would prove something, either positive or negative. I will also be avoiding attacks against each other, since they're supposed to be immune. I'll also try to avoid using Youngclops or time displaced Youngclops. Same with too many alternate versions of other characters.

I feel this will be the best way to get a comparison out of the two without flooding it with shitty little attacks.

Mr Sinister

Havok:
https://imgur.com/GvxAG0h

Cyclops:
https://imgur.com/nA0Pbyk
https://imgur.com/unTnHmN

https://imgur.com/LY8mT6m

Amped Cyclops:
https://imgur.com/o0hkk0k

Colossus

Havok:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/ColossusandHavokunc246.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusandhavok2.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusandhavok.jpg

https://imgur.com/XjLdYne

Cyclops:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/104794/2108981-letter_10.jpeg

(heatclops)
https://imgur.com/bpHxvjJ

https://imgur.com/v6QYGnT
https://imgur.com/GRIzGal

https://imgur.com/ZPGUut8

Cameron Hodge
All of these are from Hodge being weakened, or before his upgrade (ruby armor), except for one curious appearance where these pages are the only thing he did in the comic with no confirmation he was weakened. Very curious. It's the first Havok example:

Havok:
https://imgur.com/a/lYjAq

https://imgur.com/2Jreak6
https://imgur.com/ee68926

Cyclops:
https://imgur.com/nHKNiJD
https://imgur.com/IqTNXLY
https://imgur.com/pGq9oqm
https://imgur.com/so5x6T4

https://imgur.com/SArdVqY

Both:
https://imgur.com/HL8piAn
https://imgur.com/ejLFJXJ
https://imgur.com/YfWVVOq
https://imgur.com/xSng374
https://imgur.com/03vYjKA
https://imgur.com/Ab1avXg

Hulk

Havok:
https://imgur.com/a/wTURE

https://imgur.com/oa4g9Nd

https://imgur.com/wpYc0B1
https://imgur.com/iiizjvZ
https://imgur.com/PCtajbo
https://imgur.com/TKbaBsU

Cyclops:
http://i.imgur.com/TVYq8uT.jpg

https://imgur.com/T8VjAdl

https://imgur.com/fmsgo4s
https://imgur.com/A9yIdRu

Grey:
https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/square_avatar/2731097-17.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_avatar/7/78977/2731099-19.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/square_avatar/2731100-20.jpg

Juggernaut

Havok (depowered Jugs):
https://imgur.com/PObxezv
https://imgur.com/J1sZ99R
https://imgur.com/dY6adZZ
https://imgur.com/paKN8pJ

https://imgur.com/2TR6lfy
https://imgur.com/WxjspMY
https://imgur.com/3SUzAkv

Cyclops:
https://imgur.com/6HI4Oc1

https://imgur.com/3Iunvdh

https://imgur.com/8kMQoOv

https://imgur.com/hpGsF2e
https://imgur.com/5kBLBvi
https://imgur.com/MY3ZejP

http://i.imgur.com/kbgPG3A.jpg

Xorns

Havok (Xorn shielded by Juggs):
https://imgur.com/2TR6lfy
https://imgur.com/WxjspMY
https://imgur.com/3SUzAkv

Cyclops:
https://imgur.com/rBfKLMk
https://imgur.com/GRLlmXl
https://imgur.com/Vz4SzdE
https://imgur.com/pmAnDRp

Thor

Havok:
https://imgur.com/yFxhxs8
https://imgur.com/X6NbQoH

https://imgur.com/26LucLu

Cyclops:
https://imgur.com/pItcJof

Both:
https://imgur.com/ckpoP9A

Onslaughts

Cyclops:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/97919/4316112-681123-bigopticblastdg4.jpg

Both (Red Onslaught):
https://imgur.com/rhxbWNO

Exodus

Havok:
https://imgur.com/nsD8O5Q
https://imgur.com/xW8uWSU
https://imgur.com/d0ahjtM
https://imgur.com/rsxJkPU

Cyclops:
http://i.imgur.com/IwROJ63.png

Magneto

Havok:
https://i.imgur.com/eJrhKKT.jpg

https://imgur.com/gsEI7Uf

https://imgur.com/gLnc0Vm
https://imgur.com/nG2CoPY

https://imgur.com/U58Z65D

Amped:
https://imgur.com/xIn9hsv
https://imgur.com/55VxTOi

Cyclops:
https://i.imgur.com/0vPDWq6.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/25521/970483-story1page17sf8.jpg

https://imgur.com/wib9Ao2

https://imgur.com/iR43F3l
https://imgur.com/VDUoiJk

https://imgur.com/ir7ORoE
https://imgur.com/O6yluvW

https://imgur.com/qxHomqY
https://imgur.com/rOJbB8N

https://imgur.com/32MV19S

https://imgur.com/S7SXpyW
https://imgur.com/zEqJkP9

https://imgur.com/U0ewvWY

https://imgur.com/1F4trJ4
https://imgur.com/VBS63OB

https://imgur.com/COe7yV9

Suitneto:
https://imgur.com/x6nyLDV
https://imgur.com/lNXjOeN

Stryfe

Havok:
https://imgur.com/gZPotZo

Cyclops:
https://imgur.com/jrWedn8

Wolverine

Havok:
https://imgur.com/9F64UQr
https://imgur.com/MlVk980

Cyclops:
https://imgur.com/F8WuWw7

https://imgur.com/JOXi5FR

https://imgur.com/T4paoHt
https://imgur.com/CtvjaVw
https://imgur.com/Lkbktmc
https://imgur.com/ipwGPLv
https://imgur.com/9Vg2C1q
https://imgur.com/inp4cfC
https://imgur.com/REVJKXj

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_avatar/7/78977/2714407-optic_blasts_24.jpg

https://imgur.com/xtnQxqb
https://imgur.com/6hRKeHQ
https://imgur.com/Xpe1axy
https://imgur.com/1qAV4KK

Amped Wolverine:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3827205-horseman.jpg

Demon Amped Wolverine:
https://imgur.com/SGA43Bl

https://imgur.com/Oqr1jec

Apocalypse

Havok (Weakened Apoc):
https://imgur.com/eViAMgu

https://imgur.com/krvYXU1
https://imgur.com/Eimg7Cl

Cyclops:
https://imgur.com/pY9nOhu

http://i.imgur.com/Ccb4lJI.png
https://imgur.com/ULIYR6U

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/4FAoCaP03p05.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/4FAoCaP03p06.jpg

https://imgur.com/3p8OSZR
https://imgur.com/w2M5aMR
https://imgur.com/hzhHRSZ

Amped Apoc:
https://imgur.com/JF68638
https://imgur.com/CXMpemk

Amped Cyke, Amped Apoc:
https://imgur.com/Vc0V6XK
https://imgur.com/q5q3YgF
https://imgur.com/sk0UREg

Weakened Apoc:
https://imgur.com/lI3gtRB

Captain Britain

Nazi Havok:
https://imgur.com/anhKusX
https://imgur.com/gJFFQrt

Cyclops:
https://imgur.com/LrCJMrM
https://imgur.com/DJsyYup
https://imgur.com/OPv2z73
https://imgur.com/mdLDjxz

I think that's about it. There's some stuff with Rogue, but I could only find Havok hitting her with a tiny attack (that hurt) and I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole. There's some stuff I probably missed, but I think I found enough to make a comparison.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Amped Wolverine:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3827205-horseman.jpg

Originally posted by jinzin
It's a common misconception that Wolverine was physically enhanced as Death. Technically it's true, he recieved his adamantium skeleton back and he was given some tech and weapons to fend off the X-men. Any such proof that Wolverine was physically more threatening than he is today simply does not exist. Here we're given a comparison of Wolverine to Death enhanced durability or strength are not mentioned

In fact, the X-men attribute Death's success as that of a man who has studied them inside and out

Sometimes, Wolverine walking through Cyclops' optic blast is referenced as a reason for this notion to his "upgrades" however, Wolverine has shown that he knows there's a blind spot in Cyk's beam,
Wolverine shows that he understands Cyclops optic beams so well he can rush into the brunt of their blast without sustaining massive damage

that combined with the fact that Death was stated to have studied the X-Men and eploit all their weaknesses leads me to believe him walking into Cyk's blast means little to nothing to do with upgrades... As we see here Wolverine was clearly not immune to Cykes blast as one short burst knocked him on his ass

durhulk (scans broken, lol)

Guess we need to agree to disagree on that one.

Great job, really enjoying this Carver Talks thread 👆 You've put some real effort here.

PS. Just noticed Bazie got permabanned, lol.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
durhulk (scans broken, lol)

Guess we need to agree to disagree on that one.

Great job, really enjoying this Carver Talks thread 👆 You've put some real effort here.

PS. Just noticed Bazie got permabanned, lol.

Yeah, stupid comicvine.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/2714407-optic_blasts_24.jpg

Couple more for Wolves.
https://imgur.com/ytS7Mz9
https://imgur.com/9ZdNb19

https://imgur.com/heGsqYx
https://imgur.com/n71A0Ql

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8582/645821-ast001a.jpg

One I left out because I couldn't confirm the context:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8582/808746-808361_cyclops_ko_s_wolvie_super.jpg

Think that's about it... maybe. There's one where he slows down a fall too, but no.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Deathtry. Any other Horseman ever. Wolverine knocking out Colossus with a blast. Kicking the shit out of Hulk, etc. I'd call being Death an amp.

Well, he got his adamantium back, supposedly with the adamantium poisoning problem solved (which turned out to be either a lie or just a temporary effect).

That blast he KO'd Colossus with, looked to me like the same mini-bomb he used to deal with Rogue in that arc. Could be wrong, as his fist seemed to be glowing when he struck Mikhail.

Knocking the Hulk down with a surprise kick from behind is nothing above the abilities of regular Wolverine. He tackled the Thing and Rulk through the walls. Affected Wendigos with his kicks. And so on.

Anyway, in another instance, Cyke was perfectly able to knock Deathverine on his ass with a single blast.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
One I left out because I couldn't confirm the context:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8582/808746-808361_cyclops_ko_s_wolvie_super.jpg

Think it was Vulcan? Been a while.