RoF Gohan vs Perfect Cell
Adult Gohan at his weakest levels during DBS' RoF...
... versus the strongest opponent he had to deal with when he was a better character.
Can RoF Gohan who couldn't even access SSJ2 give Cell a real challenge, or will Cell just make a sad example out of him like 1st form Frieza did?
Re: RoF Gohan vs Perfect Cell
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Adult Gohan at his weakest levels during DBS' RoF...... versus the strongest opponent he had to deal with when he was a better character.
Can RoF Gohan who couldn't even access SSJ2 give Cell a real challenge, or will Cell just make a sad example out of him like 1st form Frieza did?
At the levels set here, Gohan loses so badly. SO.BADLY.
Of course, if they ever did meet "current" levels in an anime/manga sequel, Cell would probably be Jiren+ level.
This thread mainly be a shoutout to the Gohan denials who argued that he was still as strong in like RoF as he was when he still had his Mystic form. Y'know, Carver and those kind of loonies.
Now's your chance to prove to me that RoF Gohan wasn't another weak pussification. 🙂
edit: Oh yeah, there was the part with Gohan getting a comeback moment against Tagoma, but that was after Ginyu possessed him, and I can still buy that Ginyu weakened Tagoma severely...
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The fact that he achieved his mystic form again later in the anime kinda disproved that idea.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Gohan should win pretty easily. His base form was way more powerful than Piccolo. Add a 50 times amp on there and he should beat down Cell pretty badly.
Uncaped Piccolo was Android 17 level before a year of training in the RoSaT Hyperbolic Time Chamber. You assume he got any more powerful in the 8-9 years since the 17 fight and yeah, he should be a lot more powerful.
Even excluding that, if you put him from Frieza level to Android 17 in caped form, and add a 50 times amp on there and that should be more than enough to wipe out Cell.
I don't see how Gohan loses here. I mean he looked like horseshit, but that's because he is a horseshit character and the enemies got tougher.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Uncaped Piccolo was Android 17 level before a year of training in theRoSaTHyperbolic Time Chamber. You assume he got any more powerful in the 8-9 years since the 17 fight and yeah, he should be a lot more powerful.Even excluding that, if you put him from Frieza level to Android 17 in caped form, and add a 50 times amp on there and that should be more than enough to wipe out Cell.
I don't see how Gohan loses here. I mean he looked like horseshit, but that's because he is a horseshit character and the enemies got tougher.
In any case, if Gohan does still win here based on the SSJ multiplier, then I guess it just goes to show that all power levels exist to do now is basically say that the dead villains are pussies, tho nowadays people just tend to ignore power levels anyway; as if X random dead character wouldn't be rescaled in power if revived now.
srug Either way, RoF Gohan definitely felt weaker than Buu era Gohan before the Elder Kai ritual/Z-sword training.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeEven if he wasn't, he doesn't exactly get weaker. He'd still be at least Frieza level after fusing with Kami.
As a Piccolo fan I'd want him to be that much stronger over the course of those years, but in RoF he didn't really get to do much besides be a meatshield for Gohan... and then struggled with a weaker Frieza from universe 6.
Frost was weaker than Golden Frieza, but that doesn't mean he was weaker than Namek Frieza. Plus Piccolo put together enough power in that fight to punch through Vados' shield.
Judging by the beatdown he took from Goku, I'd say he was a ways above Namek Frieza. Being unquestionably stronger than Piccolo puts him anywhere from Perfect Cell to Buu depending on how much you think Piccolo powered up.
Keep in mind Frost did do some form of training as he fought for "peace" and therefore tried a little harder on average than Frieza.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeThat's all power levels were in the first place. The introduction of powers levels was Raditz around 1200 and ended with 150 million. The next time we got an indication was from Future 17 who said he wasn't using half his power to beat the shit out of around 150 Million Trunks. Even ignoring that, Cell eclipsed the last guy and then Cell became a low level peon come the next saga.
In any case, if Gohan does still win here based on the SSJ multiplier, then I guess it just goes to show that all power levels exist to do now is basically say that the dead villains are pussies, tho nowadays people just tend to ignore power levels anyway; as if X random dead character wouldn't be rescaled in power if revived now.srug Either way, RoF Gohan definitely felt weaker than Buu era Gohan before the Elder Kai ritual/Z-sword training.
The thing that brought Super down to realistic levels was saying base Goku was less than Frieza while he became the most powerful Z fighter which gave us something to base it off of. Then it just went ****ing wild.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeThe battle with Freeza's goons was meant to portray all the Z fighters equally, imo. That's why feebs like Jaco, Roshi, and Tien didn't really come off looking any better or worse than Piccolo, for example... Despite the ENORMOUS difference in power that should have existed between them.
Referring to RoF Piccolo I assume?... Forgot how disappointing most Z-fighters were at the time before the ToP arc amped most of them up, to a point.
That said, it's clear the overall intent of RoF was for Gohan to be at his weakest levels to date(he could barely even go SSJ at all, ffs.) No way in hell is that pathetic joke of a character beating Perfect Cell.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeIndeed.
edit: Oh yeah, there was the part with Gohan getting a comeback moment against Tagoma, but that was after Ginyu possessed him, and I can still buy that Ginyu weakened Tagoma severely...
After all,
Tagoma ~ Mystic Gohan >>>>>>> SSJ Gohan(RoF) >> Tagoma(post-Ginyu).
...Which makes perfect sense, considering that Ginyu doesn't just instantly gain full control of the body's power when he hops into it -- there's a defined acclimation period. That's why Ginyu could only access a small fraction of Goku's power when they swapped bodies on Namek, for example.
Nope, it's because Ginyu doesn't know how to harness/control ki in general(remember, that was an exceedingly rare ability back then.)
When Goku originally fought Ginyu, for example, his base PL without any KK multipliers was 90,000.
That said, "Ginku's" PL peaked at a mere 23,000:
https://i.imgur.com/PP36WDo.jpg
We can assume the same basic thing happened when Ginyu body-swapped with Tagoma, for the same basic reason(but likely on a MUCH greater scale, considering Tagoma's power)... Especially since Ginyu outright stated that he was not accustomed to the body:
Which makes sense, considering Ginyu had been trapped inside a f*cking frog since the Namek saga... Ain't like he'd been secretly perfecting the technique all those years, lol.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Uncaped Piccolo was Android 17 level before a year of training in theRoSaTHyperbolic Time Chamber. You assume he got any more powerful in the 8-9 years since the 17 fight and yeah, he should be a lot more powerful.Even excluding that, if you put him from Frieza level to Android 17 in caped form, and add a 50 times amp on there and that should be more than enough to wipe out Cell.
I don't see how Gohan loses here. I mean he looked like horseshit, but that's because he is a horseshit character and the enemies got tougher.
He lost to Krillin. Much as I'd like to believe humans can get SSJ2+ level, without anything from the manga or anime, we have to assume Gohan is just that bad.
I mean, Android 17 being that good is a big assumption, too, but at least an android starting out at SSJ+ and training is enough of an X factor to give him the benefit of the doubt.
