30 year old man assaults teen and steals MAGA hat

Originally posted by Raptor22
Is it really that different in your eyes as opposed to other times throughout history? Did people ever need a reason beyond religion, politics, sports etc... People have been whooping other people's asses in bars and on the streets for these reasons ever since there have been bars asses and streets.

Go to a Boston or new York sports bar a few times wearing a hat from the opposing city's team after that city loses a game or series and see if people are willing to fight u over a hat.

Now everyone has a cell phone and posts a vid so they and their side can have a nice collective cry over it, but it's been happening for ages.

As for the topic, if what the anonymous witness said is true, then 16 is plenty old enough to know that saying those things in public (especially at a bar) around the wrong person can and probably will lead to an ass kicking and deservedly so.

If they aren't true then the guy should definately been fired and technically arrested under the letter of the law.

Though if a spokesman for the police department said they would only charge him if he turned himself in and they weren't going to waste the departments time and resources finding a guy who took a hat off some kids head and splashed some water I wouldn't really care.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The law disagrees with you, you are never allowed to use physical force against someone because you don't like what they said.

But let's go down that rabbit hole for a bit.

By the logic you're presenting me, if I beat the shit out of someone and the police/courts can't prove it, then in the eyes of the law and your own logic I didn't do anything wrong... Because Law. That would go for any crime that can't be proven in a court of law, even the most horrendous.

Surtur it won't let me quote u'r last post but if that story is true and the stuff about the kid saying that stuff isn't true then that's beyond pathetic. I have no idea what the law says in regards to making stuff like that up, but in my in opinion the person who supposedly made it up should be facing harsher legal penalties than the guy who took his hat and threw a drink in his face.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The law disagrees with you, you are never allowed to use physical force against someone because you don't like what they said.

Oh so, my friend:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplinsky_v._New_Hampshire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

It's pretty narrow, probably only exists because a judge wanted to "protect our own", and it's not likely it'll save someone who attacks another for words, but "Fighting words" is very much still a thing.. A sympathetic judge/jury and a good lawyer is all you need.

Originally posted by Raptor22
if your basing your morality and what's right and wrong in the world based soley on the legality of it then your even more screwed up than I am.

But let's go down that rabbit hole for a bit.

By the logic you're presenting me, if I beat the shit out of someone and the police/courts can't prove it, then in the eyes of the law and your own logic I didn't do anything wrong... Because Law. That would go for any crime that can't be proven in a court of law, even the most horrendous.

Originally posted by cdtm
Oh so, my friend:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplinsky_v._New_Hampshire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

It's pretty narrow, probably only exists because a judge wanted to "protect our own", and it's not likely it'll save someone who attacks another for words, but "Fighting words" is very much still a thing.. A sympathetic judge/jury and a good lawyer is all you need.

In my opinion "fighting words" goes a bit beyond just not liking what somebody said, though I suppose certain judges may feel differently. So, fair enough

Originally posted by Silent Master
it's also not morally right to assault someone because you dislike their politics or something they said.

Do u ever consider for a minute that if u have to constantly twist things, change them and blatantly make things up just to convince yourself that u have a valid point, that maybe u don't?

Originally posted by Raptor22
do u have like a barn or something where u keep all these strawmen u keep building up? Please show me where I said it's moraly right to assault someone due to a dislike of their politics.

Do u ever consider for a minute that if u have to constantly twist things, change them and blatantly make things up just to convince yourself that u have a valid point, that maybe u don't?

Sure, right after you show me where I said that you claimed it was morally right to physically assault someone due to a dislike of their politics.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Sure, right after you show me where I said that you claimed it was morally right to physically assault someone due to a dislike of their politics.

In other words, you can't actually provide the quote so you're just going to claim I implied it. That is seriously pathetic.

You need to learn the difference between someone stating their opinion / stance & them claiming another person said something.

Originally posted by Raptor22
so then u quoted that post of mine and didn't make that response to imply it's something I said (which would be par for the course with your strawman routine), but just decided to quote my post and instead of addressing anything in it, u decided to drop a nugget of your own personal moral wisdome on us for no reason about a point that was never discussed or contested in any way.

Take a look at this post:

Originally posted by Silent Master
In other words, you can't actually provide the quote...

FYI, when Silent Master gets to this point in his posts in an argument, you know you f*cked up. It's easy to shut him up with a quote.

Originally posted by Silent Master
In other words, you can't actually provide the quote so you're just going to claim I implied it. That is seriously pathetic.

You need to learn the difference between someone stating their opinion / stance & them claiming another person said something.

Feel free to deny it all u want, but it's either that or u quoted that specific post, didn't respond to anything contained in it, then posted your opinion on a subject that was never disputed or even discussed.

At best it was a strawman at worst u responded to a quote with an off subject opinion that served no purpose than to derail the topic at hand in an attempt to distract from the fact that your arguments on the subject were garbage.

So the guy who just got through demanding I provide a quote now thinks asking for proof is funny.

You're a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Surtur it won't let me quote u'r last post but if that story is true and the stuff about the kid saying that stuff isn't true then that's beyond pathetic. I have no idea what the law says in regards to making stuff like that up, but in my in opinion the person who supposedly made it up should be facing harsher legal penalties than the guy who took his hat and threw a drink in his face.

I can't see how at this point it is "supposedly" made up. This guy spoke to the press. He didn't say "they were saying racist things". He said it was the hat.

They DID make up that these kids were talking about hanging blacks. That is just how pathetic some leftists are. It's why they'll never ever hold any sort of moral high ground again. I can't say I'm shocked, hands up don't shoot was a lie too.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So the guy who just got through demanding I provide a quote now thinks asking for proof is funny.

You're a hypocrite.

Please provide a quote where I "demanded" u provide a quote.

I remember asking, even saying please.

U need to learn the difference between someone asking for something and someone demanding it.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Please show me where I said it's moraly right to assault someone due to a dislike of their politics.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Sure, right after you show me where I said that you claimed it was morally right to physically assault someone due to a dislike of their politics.

Originally posted by Raptor22
so then u quoted that post of mine and didn't make that response to imply it's something I said (which would be par for the course with your strawman routine), but just decided to quote my post and instead of addressing anything in it, u decided to drop a nugget of your own personal moral wisdome on us for no reason about a point that was never discussed or contested in any way.

Originally posted by Silent Master
In other words, you can't actually provide the quote so you're just going to claim I implied it. That is seriously pathetic.

You need to learn the difference between someone stating their opinion / stance & them claiming another person said something.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Lol it's pretty funny that u think I'm under some obligation to provide u with a quote to satisfy your demands.

Feel free to deny it all u want, but it's either that or u quoted that specific post, didn't respond to anything contained in it, then posted your opinion on a subject that was never disputed or even discussed.

At best it was a strawman at worst u responded to a quote with an off subject opinion that served no purpose than to derail the topic at hand in an attempt to distract from the fact that your arguments on the subject were garbage.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So the guy who just got through demanding I provide a quote now thinks asking for proof is funny.

You're a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Silent Master

In other words, you can't actually provide the quote of me demanding a quote from u, instead u just post a bunch of quotes that don't say what you're accusing me of saying. Pathetic bro

U r a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Surtur
I can't see how at this point it is "supposedly" made up. This guy spoke to the press. He didn't say "they were saying racist things". He said it was the hat.

They DID make up that these kids were talking about hanging blacks. That is just how pathetic some leftists are. It's why they'll never ever hold any sort of moral high ground again. I can't say I'm shocked, hands up don't shoot was a lie too.

Pathetic is one thing, this stuff is just plain stupid. Getting caught in lies like this does nothing but hurt their cause and give ammo to their opposition. lying about it is bad enough, but dear god, doing it a manner that gets exposed and comes back to bite u in the ass so quick shows a level of stupidity that's almost staggering.

Originally posted by Raptor22
On to page 2 of the Silent playbook of avoiding the topic.

In other words, you can't actually provide the quote of me demanding a quote from u, instead u just post a bunch of quotes that don't say what you're accusing me of saying. Pathetic bro

U r a hypocrite.

Yes, I used the word demand when I should have said request. doesn't change the fact that you made a claim about me and then failed to prove it. let's see if you're mature enough to admit being wrong like I did.

My money is on no, you're not.

Originally posted by Raptor22
the supposedly was due to my distrust of the media and people in general. I wasn't there, I'm just hearing a bunch if stuff from people I don't know, talking about things I didn't see myself.

Pathetic is one thing, this stuff is just plain stupid. Getting caught in lies like this does nothing but hurt their cause and give ammo to their opposition. lying about it is bad enough, but dear god, doing it a manner that gets exposed and comes back to bite u in the ass so quick shows a level of stupidity that's almost staggering.

You make a good point and this stuff always mystifies me. Whenever anything is Trump related I don't see why people lie or mislead. There is plenty of legitimate stuff to criticize. He gives them so much material to work with and they still lie. Sometimes the lies are about him and sometimes they are about his supporters.

I don't think people realize this contributes to Trumps ability to withstand scandals. People weigh their dislike of what Trump is doing with the insanity of the left, and the insanity of the left tends to win out.